Fueled by a love for adventure, Billy and Sara Walker left the military to embark on a year long exploration of North and South America after years of planning and preparation. The discussion focuses on overcoming adversity, adapting to unknowns, and seeking the beautiful in both each other and the wilderness that surrounded them. Highlights include: -Adjusting the plan to achieve the goal -The ability to accomplish anything after choosing to commit -The power of simplifying problem sets -The joy of adventure -Learning contentment -Learning to avoid the "I wish I...." mindset -The power and value of marriage and investing in your partner -Why respecting one another is paramount -The importance of communication in a relationship And remember: "JUST COMMIT!" -Billy Did you find value in today’s conversation? SHARE IT!

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Jon

All right, well, hello, everyone, I am Jon Mayo joined with Aaron Robinson.

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Aaron

As always, as always, as me, as you and playing needed it.

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Jon

I'm glad.

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Jon

And today we have the opportunity to be joined with two mighty adventurers, Billy and Sara Walker. How are you guys? Great.

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Sara

Let me be.

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Jon

Here.

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Jon

Thank you, sir. Some of the sites that will let you.

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Jon

There.

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Aaron

Are you will be carrying this discussion.

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Sara

We worked together.

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Jon

We try to do so.

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Jon

So there's a few fun things about this one I adore about of you. So the other fun things you guys are testing our systems for a four person recording. So thank you for that opportunity.

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Jon

You're welcome. Yes, I love it.

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Jon

It was an extra 15 minutes of wrangling the mikes this morning, but it's like that's not a complaint is actually really interesting. I didn't know how many ways I figured these things to get this setup.

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Sara

Yeah, it's an awesome setup. Thank you. They're just arms coming out of.

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Jon

The table, and.

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Jon

I needed the flossing, so for sure. But yeah, one of the things that's really exciting about this to me is you're both phenomenal and incredible people for numerous reasons that I hope to flush out so that I'm not the only one who's saying that and thinking it, but that people can kind of see why.

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Jon

And I'm also saying that to embarrass you both seems to be working by the shade to your faces.

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Jon

So, yes, it's worth trying. I think.

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Sara

He's nervous.

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Jon

I can tell he's really one murders.

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Aaron

So, yes, once he starts rubbing his beard, we'll know something about.

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Jon

Whether that's right. All right.

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Aaron

So you guys, I I met Billy several months back and didn't know how how crazy you guys were until I find out like you should. You guys have been on tour for for your own adventure, right? To lots of different locations, really at the minute.

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Aaron

But when I found you, you're like, when we met you, this is like one of the stops, like you came to the ranch here and you had you're in a different vehicle than that. You're like traveling and sleeping in and world.

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Jon

Now he's homeless. This homeless couple with hundred $40,000.

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Sara

Yes, the first time I did meet you, I was climbing out of the truck because we were living in the back of our truck.

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Jon

Yeah. Oh yeah, that's like the truck. And I was I was doing it right. Oh, we just sleep. I just think that I didn't know exactly what I wanted to.

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Sara

Know because I was kind of embarrassed.

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Jon

Someone with the other car? Yeah.

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Aaron

Yeah. So like obviously, context was important in that moment. What's happening here?

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Jon

So to that context, that's um. Yeah.

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Jon

So a little bit for us to jump in the the very condensed version that I hope that you guys will flesh out for us. We can explore a bit is we have to. Previous officers, active duty officers with the army in different careers, Billy was an infantry officer, Sara was an early roster and they met somewhere in

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Jon

Hawaii. Cupid struck the stars alongside rainbows and sunshine. They decided that they wanted to spend the rest of their lives together and to leave, said Army, to go and live out of their villa, which then turned into a pretty sick truck for a year.

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Jon

And they hit a bunch of bumps.

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Aaron

And didn't actually turn their trucks like fans don't turn into trucks, they don't grow up and become extra.

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Jon

They traded busy, and.

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Jon

There's.

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Aaron

Somebody out there listening that was exactly in that.

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Jon

Headspace.

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Jon

That trade actually costs me money because I lost keys in the transaction that was.

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Jon

Yeah.

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Jon

Betrayed to the band for a they finished the trip because of what 2020 represented with hope and things. Their plans changed. There is all sorts of things. It was their first time living closely together outside of a couple of months because of the army in a van.

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Jon

So there's a lot of I'd love to hear, and I think we should just jump into it unless you have something I'd love to hear. Like kind of the genesis of the story, your guys meeting why you made this decision is kind of what led into it.

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Sara

Yeah.

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Jon

Well.

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Sara

first and foremost, if we didn't have the meals, we would have never been able to do the whole trip because of all the different things, because of COVID, because of the vehicle type, because of winter. So because when.

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Aaron

Did you make the decision? Was it just prior to this trip?

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Jon

Did this trip look like? Yeah, well, we met.

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Billy

I mean, when we first were dating, maybe not even dating, we talked about like, this is you see all the cool people like they travel and this is all they do. Yeah, they do cool stuff. Like we were like, we knew we liked Oracle and we knew we liked to hike.

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Billy

We knew we like to see we we like to do all this stuff and travel and see the world and stuff. And we both already been travel pretty like, well, already like she like before we started a podcast or talk show in Portugal, like I travel at times.

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Billy

She travel the time and we want to just continue that before the next stage and I guess of life, which is kids. So you kind of have.

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Sara

To be.

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Jon

Honest. Yeah, yeah.

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Sara

Yeah, I wanted one year of just.

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Jon

Happiness and the military, also the military. Also, it would be the.

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Aaron

Opposite of what you came from.

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Jon

Right?

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Billy

So we're trying a little bit in terms of like, this is the way and that's how you do things. Whereas like, you know, you look at a lot of things like social media has an influence a little bit, but you see like, Hey, we want to do these things, like, why not?

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Billy

Let's go. Let's like, let's just commit and do it, and then that will. But we knew that. But when we were dating before you were married or anything. So I had kind of thought about this trip, about doing it on a sailboat prior to ever knowing Sara, but she gets seasick.

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Billy

So now we drive everywhere adoption.

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Jon

Yeah, yeah, she said she gets carsick.

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Billy

But that was like, it's always been in the back of the head like, Hey, we're going to let's take this massive sabbatical to knock out all our bucket list stuff. And then before the next phase of life, I guess so.

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Jon

So it's a real quick so I can understand S.O. precisely so your guys. This trip ended roughly a month ago.

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Sara

Right? That, yeah, and.

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Jon

It lasted about a year. Yeah. And then. When did you can restart it when you guys met? It can be high level, whatever makes sense. But you guys met. Whatever. I think there's a bit of humor there. And that goes to like, Hey, I think we like each other enough to like, get married and then let's start

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Jon

that essentially with leaving our careers to become hippies.

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Jon

Mm hmm. Yeah. All right.

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Sara

Well, so when we started dating, it was in Hawaii.

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Jon

So was that two years ago? I know that was four years, 2016, so five years ago.

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Sara

And we're all getting older. So, yeah, so when we met, we were in Hawaii and we met during a field exercise, actually. And I, you know, I got a phone number from another girl in my unit and she was like, If you need anybody since you're only going to be with men the next month, call, call this

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Sara

guy. And I was like, Okay, cool, thanks. So I put the number on my phone and I briefed about 150 guys saying, like, when you first were off or anything, you know, I'm here, I'll be working with you guys.

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Sara

And then afterwards, I was like, Hey, all this is, can you guys come over here so I can get your numbers to contact you? And Billy puts number on my phone? And he was like, You already have my number.

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Jon

Was it awkward, you know?

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Sara

And so I was like, Oh God, he's like, Do you know me and my crew? Are you? And then I'm Billy Walker as well, Colleen, just give me your number. And so that's how it kind of sparked. And then he saw me eating pizza and taking off all the cheese, and that's how he fell in love with

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Sara

me.

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Billy

Just ruining a good pizza. You like watch the atrocities just like.

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Jon

Destroying something that's like, Wow.

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Sara

Actually, yeah. For the next couple of weeks after that exercise, he actually played really hard to get and it was like, What the heck.

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Jon

Is he playing? I don't know.

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Billy

So, yeah, no. I was like, Oh, I'll go to this party or this bar or something new when it comes, I got to go to sleep, I got to go to bed because I got to fish.

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Jon

Tomorrow morning, I.

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Sara

Was like, OK.

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Jon

I'm going to some stupid things.

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Billy

I was fishing the next morning, but it was not necessary for me to, like, go.

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Jon

To bed early.

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Sara

So finally, I got up and we went to our first overseas tournament site, and that's why I got the tattoo. And so I have a tattoo, but we and it's island off.

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Billy

The island off of Oahu is Island Y, and it's an island off of Y. And it's just like this map. It's really cool. It looks literally like a tiny insect. Like if you were like, it's kind of flatter on the edges and it just hooks up and there's a cool height to the top.

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Billy

And I took her there on this hike and we hammock for a while and chilled.

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Sara

And you had the paddleboard.

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Billy

Yeah, yeah, you got a paddle board over there. Yes. When immigrants.

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Jon

Like, yes, you guys are already adventuring together. Yeah.

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Sara

So that's when our crew say, I was like, Okay, this is this is cool, you know, like we're thinking the same way. That's kind of what I like to do. And she was just like, I can't take you to all these my favorite spots on the island.

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Sara

And I thought that was so sick. So like as we kept on exploring together, I was like, Wow, I really like him. two weeks in, I was like walking on the beach with my friend Liz. I was like, I think I'm going to marry this guy.

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Billy

And she's not going to say she was dating somebody when we first met.

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Jon

Well, you.

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Sara

Know, I don't know. Actually, Billy would not kiss me. Billy would not hold my hand.

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Jon

True, gentleman.

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Sara

He was just my friend until I broke up with him.

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Jon

Which is a testament to both of you. Real quick, because this is hilarious. I'm just curious how to explain when you're on the beach and you're like, I don't want to marry this man. Billy, the story of this man?

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Jon

Yeah, this man, Billy, were you thinking, I think I want to marry Sara at that point?

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Jon

Oh God, no, I definitely like, well, I wasn't thinking married. I guess this is like because I.

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Billy

At that point, I think I knew like she had a boyfriend. So it was like, Oh, I really hope she breaks out with this guy. That's what I was thinking more than, yeah, you know.

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Sara

What a chick thing, right? I just jump into marriage. Maybe we should date first high.

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Aaron

Well, yeah, I'm you didn't challenge this guy, though. Like.

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Jon

Well, he wasn't in the same location.

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Aaron

Oh, OK, now.

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Sara

Anyway, can I get off this subject.

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Jon

For sure?

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Jon

So the bottom line is that it's two weeks in. You're really liking what's going on. You guys decide to break parts with other people in your life so that there's no need for each other. And then what?

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Sara

Yes, Adam, we really just started adventure like our our love language is adventure. Like, that is what we like to do. We like to. We don't buy gifts for each other, we.

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Billy

Experience.

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Jon

Things we.

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Billy

No, yeah, we go on trips like I suggest experiences, right?

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Sara

So like, for example.

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Billy

You know, we were dating, our first big trip was like, you know, she's the one. We went to New Zealand and we backpack for 15 days. And all we did was like, there's no Airbnbs reserve, there's no hotels.

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Billy

We went to New Zealand, the South Island and we just back. I got like this SUV and like if we had to like sleep inside at one point, we slept in the in the in the SUV. Otherwise we had a tent and we hiked and we were in the mountains, and that's what we did.

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Aaron

That seems kind of reckless. Doesn't I mean, like.

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Jon

Not in the sense of like.

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Aaron

Oh, I didn't let to be negative. It's like, it's kind of crazy, right?

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Jon

Does it in two days, we're going to show we land a lot like we've done.

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Billy

We knew exactly where we were going to be and what we were doing and what. I came home one night and Sara was like, Hey, like, I booked.

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Sara

For bungee.

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Jon

Jumps, but she goes, And you want to go bungee jumping. I think of it was like, Yeah.

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Billy

She goes, OK, cool. And then I come home.

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Jon

She's I booked for a long way.

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Billy

So talk about adrenaline spiked and just drop in. Like at the end of the day, I'm like, I'm dying.

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Jon

Yeah, it was like, I was like, I just don't get to like, get you jump off.

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Billy

The bridge into like one of those river things below you. Then there's the biggest bungee jump right in the water.

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Jon

So we did that one.

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Sara

So that one was cool.

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Aaron

So for each or certainly.

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Jon

For each one day, one day, I know.

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Jon

How much drive like you must have been like.

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Jon

Going to day with Powell saying today and like, I'm like, I have a headache from the.

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Billy

Adrenaline likes to crash.

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Sara

Oh, the one. The one was actually. We went off in the canyon separately and then the cool thing was our last one. We actually did it together. So it was kind of more like a swing pendulum is the.

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Jon

Big.

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Sara

And together it will go backwards. So it was kind of cool like you let you go and you're now you're floating through the canyon together.

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Aaron

Well, and we should mention we should mention your backdrop. You have jumped out of planes before.

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Sara

Yes.

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Jon

So Halo Master, yeah.

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Sara

So helicopter lands is my I really want to jump out of a higher balloon, but that's on the list.

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Jon

Wow. OK.

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Sara

But yeah, I like jumping out of things.

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Aaron

Has had building the night before I had, yeah, OK.

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Billy

Now I don't have 700 jumps like she does, right? But no, I have jumped quite a bit as well.

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Jon

All right. Yes.

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Jon

He's only a master, not a halo master.

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Billy

There isn't a different dove than.

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Jon

Anyone I've actually ever met.

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Sara

So there's some cooler people that may interest me.

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Jon

This is a fun point for me to keep poking at because we joke about this all the time. I always call it though she's in a halo master space saver, and she's like, None of those things are real.

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Jon

Combined like that. I'm glad that those John shut up.

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Sara

It's not. It's not.

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Aaron

Adding.

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Jon

Adjectives inside.

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Sara

But I just love adrenaline. It's always been like my antidrug. It makes me better. I get out. And that's why it right now, because I got Histadrut a year ago. So now I just do bike riding, I think is like my go to of adrenaline.

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Sara

But yeah, if I can find something, what else? What else is adrenaline thing, then?

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Jon

Well, you're friends with the males. Yeah, yeah.

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Jon

So you guys, are you in your relationship growing? You're doing for bungee jumps like epic buddy jumps world record, but jumps in one day. You're okay. I think I want to make this thing work. You guys have to get married.

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Jon

At what? At what point did you start planning? I know we're both in the army will be separated by the army, but we want to get out and we want to do this trip. And what was the trip supposed to be?

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Sara

Well, so if I can back up a little bit, yeah, we did end up moving in together in Hawaii, so we did live together for nine months.

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Jon

On.

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Sara

Hawaii, and when we did, it was in like the coolest part of the island. So it was actually like 45 minute to an hour drive to work. But we wanted to look down there just because we wanted to be a luxury and, you know, live by like the white sand beach and the bluest water together.

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Sara

So it was kind of like a honeymoon before I even got married. Yeah. So I don't know, and it was just like a perfect location. We were just we're so. And we loved it. I think just everything was just magical.

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Sara

So that kind of, you know, escalated us to get married, I think, right? I mean, I think we've be arguing.

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Jon

Yeah, we both knew we were going to.

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Billy

I think we both at once we started dating. Dating was like, OK, if this is it and then, you know, the more troops we did, the more we realized, like how aligned, like our values and what we like treasure or which is experiences versus like eight years ago.

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Billy

Like this, you know, jewelry or whatever, you know, like we really, truly like, measure things similarly.

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Aaron

You know, I'm curious what you say about this, but sometimes a real simple marriage advice, he said, and said, just make sure that no matter what, you really enjoy being around the person, you genuinely like the person. Yeah.

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Aaron

It was like really some like love infatuation, you know? They said, no, just like if you like hanging out with them, like, yeah, like they're a friend to you. That's a really good indicator.

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Billy

That, yeah, that's a perfect example of like why why he didn't break up or anything during this one year sabbatical of living in a band versus.

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Jon

Yeah.

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Billy

I mean, if you do watch social media, you're like a lot of the people that are these influencers doing that stuff and other couples doing it like that, they do break up. Yeah, it's not like it's easy saying that women like ten square.

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Jon

Feet, you know? Yeah, it's an amazing adventure to share with.

09;48;46;11 - 09;48;30;28

Billy

Somebody, but it's also it is tough. But like we've done like, like you said, New Zealand, we were dating and we did this backpacking thing where we, you know, out of an SUV, we only had to spend like two nights in the city because they only rain two nights out a whole 15 days versus like in a

09;48;30;28 - 09;48;14;16

Billy

tent or camp or doing amazing things. And we did like another 17 day backpacking thing in Thailand where were like, you know, we we had like, really tested like and we realized like, no, we we enjoy each other's company to the point and we can, you know, we're laughing.

09;48;14;16 - 09;47;58;29

Billy

We're having a great time. We don't need anybody or anything like around us necessarily like, you know, it really is. You know, even I had it when I was at the Bachelor party in Austin, like I was talking to you and and we were just giggling on the phone and and the one dude, Connery goes.

09;47;58;24 - 09;47;55;06

Billy

Who's he talking to? And the one guy was like, Oh, he's talking to his wife like.

09;47;54;09 - 09;47;48;12

Jon

Dang, that's cool. But he's actually like laughing versus like, oh, like, oh.

09;47;47;29 - 09;47;34;29

Billy

We giggle things through, you know, everything combined. Yeah, just the fact that we have shared values in terms of measuring what is important to us versus. Things you kind.

09;47;34;29 - 09;47;19;04

Aaron

Of tested out like that really real until you were like you could have like paddleboard on a ship to the China River. And that's like, that's not your thing. You're just like, I just want this girl to like me, you know, and it's it's not a good fed.

09;47;19;04 - 09;47;15;02

Aaron

You know it, but you guys are actually being genuine, authentic with each other.

09;47;14;26 - 09;47;09;27

Billy

So I don't think there's any faking it. We don't like something. It's visible. It has like experience.

09;47;09;27 - 09;47;05;06

Jon

Like ups and downs. And I think it's just been.

09;47;04;25 - 09;46;45;09

Sara

With the experiences that we've had together. We have to be honest with each other because you're doing these crazy things, you're with each other all the time. I was actually thinking today like, it's so crazy. I haven't seen Billy this week because of working, working, you know, an actual job where I'm like, Wow, I miss him.

09;46;45;09 - 09;46;41;10

Sara

Like, we haven't seen each other. I haven't spent every single day.

09;46;41;10 - 09;46;36;23

Jon

We get together from each other's studies.