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5. Success Through Failure _ Kyle


 

In episode 5 we sit down with Kyle, an active duty soldier and long time friend to Jon. This jovial conversation covers: - Cultivating success through failure. - The power of self reflection. - Embracing limitations to plan beyond them. - The role humility plays in self acceptance. - The no quit mindset. - Why to keep going, period. - The importance of perspective. - Continue the journey, relevance over resume. Did you find value in today’s conversation? SHARE IT!

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08;06;39;13 - 08;06;22;10

Jon

All right. Hello, everyone, this is Jon Mayo, as always, joined with the great Aaron Robinson and and today we have the fortune of sitting down with Kyle, who has ran up here from Texas and jokingly flew in a plane like a normal human being.


08;06;22;09 - 08;06;15;14

Aaron

And we brought you a present today, Kyle. All right. With a blizzard. You're welcome. Precisely.


08;06;15;13 - 08;06;11;22

Kyle

Thanks. I made a deal with Mother Nature. Let him get here.


08;06;11;16 - 08;06;10;10

Jon

But then don't let him leave.


08;06;10;08 - 08;06;09;16

Aaron

Yes.


08;06;09;09 - 08;06;06;08

Jon

And looking outside, she's holding up her end of the bargain.


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Kyle

Right? Yeah. Texas had a lot of snow, and in some cases they.


08;06;01;29 - 08;06;01;00

Jon

Have snow in Texas.


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Kyle

We did this year. Really? Were you guys.


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Jon

Ready for it?


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Kyle

No. All right.


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Aaron

So what shocked cowboys? Yeah. Yeah, this is 11.


08;05;42;02 - 08;05;30;11

Jon

We are grateful because there are some concern. You're not being able to make it in with the weather and everything, and we do get to have this conversation. So broad, broad scope of what to expect. Right. Especially for you, because you're like, what the heck is this?


08;05;29;14 - 08;05;05;29

Jon

As a we, for the most part, is will continue this interior, right? We'll try and give you a clean handoff where you can start the dance for us conversationally from how. You crafted success through some pretty tough failures you faced, and then you can expect the plane to begin landing.


08;05;05;21 - 08;04;57;28

Jon

Well, thank you. And start summarizing, and that's where we can get our final moments in the conversation. Until that natural closing, we'll close it out. How's that sound?


08;04;57;08 - 08;04;55;24

Kyle

Sounds good. Thank you for having me.


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Aaron

I like that. Thanks. And thanks for coming with failure because just looking at you, you're a slightly intimidating looking person. And I'm just glad that you just are going to show me that you have some weakness and we're going to we're going to take advantage of all that today.


08;04;38;29 - 08;04;38;04

Aaron

So once you learn.


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Kyle

How to do or this.


08;04;36;04 - 08;04;33;07

Jon

I know that's actually the first I've heard it to. Is it the overalls?


08;04;32;27 - 08;04;25;17

Aaron

It's yeah, it's the car, not your body. All right. It's not that dad.


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Jon

But this is a this is an American warrior. He's fine tuned for destruction and.


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Aaron

Stuff like that. And I get it.


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Kyle

Well, thank you.


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Jon

I'm glad that we get it open today.


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Kyle

Our guest? Yeah, this is fun.


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Jon

I know I will pay for this.


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Aaron

Oh yeah, I so. Yeah, I'm leaving now.


08;04;02;18 - 08;04;01;03

Kyle

Yeah, so.


08;03;59;13 - 08;03;49;02

Aaron

So I'm like kind of on the back seat here of two buddies here, because Jon Kyle, you guys have known each other for a number of years. How many? How many? How long is.


08;03;49;02 - 08;03;41;20

Kyle

It about 15 right or 16 something. I mentioned that this is 2015.


08;03;41;20 - 08;03;40;00

Jon

We've not been buddies for 15 years.


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Kyle

That's right. Yeah, 2015. So but six years now.


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Jon

Public math is really.


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Kyle

Yeah, that's another thing everyone do.


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Aaron

I am concerned there's going to be a lot of winking and inside language that I'm just going to be like, Wow, when I was on, you.


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Jon

Know, more than you had.


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Aaron

With Rob. So you guys have known each other for a bit, and Kyle is a gracious enough to stop by our studio here to record some of what you guys learned to get some together and now also individually on what your journey has been to.


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Aaron

So this will be fun for me to kind of sit backseat, but also ask them questions so you guys know.


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Kyle

So I'll try and answer.


08;02;58;12 - 08;02;50;03

Aaron

All right. Are you all right? You just make a salad me, and then I'll know about it. But it sounds.


08;02;49;22 - 08;02;25;23

Kyle

As the jury in the book. So given the given the promise of grit. Right? I'll say that we take it as far as the obvious, you know, the whole life story and given the context. But a big life lesson for me has been from going from the top right, always being bad guys up front to then being


08;02;25;23 - 08;02;11;14

Kyle

among other great people, men and women, where now you have to. It's a battle internal. Like How do I get out of my own head and still tell myself I'm good and good enough when I'm middle back now?


08;02;11;09 - 08;02;10;16

Kyle

And sometimes it.


08;02;10;01 - 08;01;57;02

Jon

Is, so that can give a little bit of context as to what where were you the top and where are you now that you're finding that you're in a new level of players, that you're no longer in the top and you're adjusting with that?


08;01;56;20 - 08;01;37;25

Kyle

Yeah. OK, so you know, growing up, you know, getting a you know, it's also. People can think that they're on top of it, it's all it's all based on how you perceive yourself, right? But you always want to if you're competitive nature, you always want to see that you are the best, you are out there and then


08;01;37;25 - 08;01;11;14

Kyle

you attack those, those opportunities. Growing up, playing soccer, did that got what I thought was pretty far an algorithm that was not far enough to obviously do that outside of just you graduate high school and stuff. But then during that, I learned a lot and knew what I wanted to take specifically in the military where I had


08;01;11;14 - 08;00;56;19

Kyle

enlisted. Grown up listening to World War two stories, then gone and wherever we go, try it out in the woods. Living off Lambert a week or so is a lot of fun. It's just kind of a different mindset.


08;00;56;01 - 08;00;34;17

Kyle

And then from there, when I was enlisted, always top 80 saw performance space was always really good. I was on track to one where I had had contracts right in front of me to go to Tier one schools and attempt to get a Tier one units that 17 or 18 years old.


08;00;34;16 - 08;00;30;27

Aaron

That's a good thing. I said, Yeah, okay, I'm just the token civilian here.


08;00;29;23 - 08;00;05;04

Kyle

So it's like your your, your, your sock. So your Special Operations Command, which includes Marine Corps, you have your mask and then Ranger Battalion, SAS Navy said, Oh, that's right, that's all the different branches have. There's an even Air Force has the controller in place, right?


08;00;05;01 - 08;00;04;22

Kyle

Okay.


08;00;03;09 - 08;00;00;01

Aaron

So these are like elite unit opportunities. Right, right.


09;59;59;27 - 09;59;43;09

Kyle

And it's it's humbling, actually. When you first get it, you're like, Oh, OK. But then you have the realization, OK, you have good enough and everyone else is going. So fast forward got opportunity to to try out for one itself.


09;59;43;09 - 09;59;29;25

Kyle

The first time I went in with the mindset of, Oh good, I forgot it. It's OK. I've been at the top here the entire time. Ratings always good. And then I break myself on day six.


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Aaron

You know, right away. You know, any, you know, this part of the story.


09;59;21;02 - 09;59;04;07

Kyle

And but you just kept going. And then by day eight, so I ruptured by left Achilles, by day six and then by day a miraculously sliding fee. But I was determined, not quick. That you're going to have to pull me off this horse.


09;59;04;06 - 09;58;49;05

Kyle

So why? Why? Again, I think it's just on mindset of how you grow up. You know, for me, it was, I'm going to go do it and I want to do it. I want to stick to that. No matter the hardship, the pain you learn from that.


09;58;48;07 - 09;58;30;05

Kyle

And at that time, it was also interesting to know. I wanted to know how far I could take myself like I know my body and broke it. But how far can my mind go now? You know, this is a there's a Tier one trial, so if my mind breaks, then I'm done.


09;58;29;08 - 09;58;12;00

Kyle

And that's when you throw in the towel. But growing up in that, in that mindset, you don't stop. You don't quit, especially when it's something that you want. Then you look at, OK, my body may be broken. I push you mentally right?


09;58;11;20 - 09;57;53;14

Kyle

You because that's that's really, in my opinion, the difference between professional athletes and college athletes and then just athletes, right? As they're pushing their mental state to a whole nother level. They can always get bigger, stronger, faster. And you just have someone to help you reach similar setting up.


09;57;53;14 - 09;57;46;07

Kyle

You have whatever else it's legal to help you, but that mental state at that point. And I think that's the big difference.


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Aaron

Is your body is following your mind at this point. You know, you just decided I'm going to do this right.


09;57;40;01 - 09;57;28;13

Kyle

Because there's portions of it where, you know, test you like. They know you're broken and they'll go faster just to see if you have the fortitude to keep up. Because if you fall back too far, it get strong in.


09;57;28;13 - 09;57;27;14

Jon

Back of the truck means you're.


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Kyle

Out, right? Like literally in the back of your pack in and go, Yeah, you're your metaphorical capacity.


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Jon

In the back of that truck means you're out of the.


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Kyle

Yeah, you're out of the program. Yep.


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Jon

Yeah. Quick question for clarity. So this is Trout's around one when you were enlisted?


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Kyle

No, this is as an officer.


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Jon

OK, so just a quick jump. So you were receiving this information? You ultimately decided to accept an opportunity to pursue your commission as an officer and you became an officer in regular active army.


09;56;52;11 - 09;56;51;29

Kyle

Correct.


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Jon

And then what you're talking about now is you were given the opportunity again and you pursued it as an officer for these top tier programs.


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Kyle

Absolutely, yes. OK.


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Jon

And that's where we are now with the ruptured right Achilles, and you're trying not to get run over by TRICARE.


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Kyle

Yes.


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Aaron

Kind of looking at you, there's this weird dichotomy of a because I'm like, OK, you are probably at this crazy guy that you know, you're doing top tier stuff and you're and you're really pushing yourself. You probably could kill me right now if I said the wrong thing.


09;56;12;19 - 09;56;02;17

Aaron

But here you are. Now I'm just looking at you. If you were in studio with us right now because like a smile in his eyes, he was like, he's just like a kind soul. And yet I could. I could.


09;56;02;03 - 09;55;58;08

Aaron

But I'm convinced that you blown some things up a few times.


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Kyle

Not to.


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Jon

Mention just casually rocking the.


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Kyle

Overalls rocket. Yeah, yeah.


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Aaron

I I just I didn't want to add that brevity before you started talking about what creative things you do. You're just you're very unassuming.


09;55;38;18 - 09;55;27;21

Jon

Well, and you know, I think a fun thing to play with that, Aaron, and this is really cool. I think this is more the norm when you see the pompous guys right or the guys who are really loud about it.


09;55;26;22 - 09;55;06;07

Jon

They're all steam nearby, typically, right. The throughout these top tier communities and throughout the high performers in most organizations, there's a steadiness and calm to them, and they're typically very jovial. Likable. Right? And to me, that's a great indicator when I see someone who's like big and acting tough and being loud.


09;55;05;22 - 09;54;48;13

Jon

I just think being laser, yeah, what a loser. But when when you have the dude who's very comfortable with themselves clearly cast it laid back having fun. That's that, I think is one of the trademarks of, OK, we're dealing with a consummate professional here who's skilled in their craft.


09;54;48;12 - 09;54;32;13

Aaron

That's a great character trait. And that's what I'm calling it out of you because. I so appreciate someone who doesn't have to give me that resume. You know, like we're asking you your story, but I doubt that you'd force it into a conversation at dinner with people.


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Aaron

Hey, did you know? Right? You know, you just have a there's a there's an inner confidence and part of your story is deciding, Hey, this is this is for me. I wanted to push my mind. You haven't said yes.


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Aaron

I wanted to be the best at this and get a magazine or whatever attention you were. Just like me is is wondering if I can do better. I can push it harder.


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Jon

And that's a great transition back to their accelerating the truck and the pace.


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Kyle

And you have ruptured Achilles tendon.


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Aaron

They know you got married.


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Kyle

All right.


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Jon

Thank you for letting us add a little bit of context there for everyone listening. But now you're hearing the engine rev up in your I don't want to be squished.


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Aaron

So what's.


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Kyle

Next? Well, so you keep going through that. There's there's there's portions through it that they break up into in sections, basically. And so different sections have different. Then they shoot for different outcomes. And so following it to the final portion, which is of unknown distance of a war Iraq, you have a pack in your back.


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Kyle

They give you a set way and you just.


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Jon

Go in what is that way?


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Kyle

Usually between 40 to 50, depending on their you, they'll give you a baseline, but you don't trust the scale that they give out a little bit more. But you never know like. I wonder if that's actually £5 off.


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Jon

So or 15?


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Kyle

So you just you, you put weight in and and you just walk. And for me, I was. I was dead last. And again, coming from someone who does not know what that feels like. I'm seeing everyone else just go.


09;52;37;26 - 09;52;21;19

Kyle

But by that point, I broke it down to the point of. OK. I said to myself, I couldn't care this for me, I don't know anything in here. And so you're you're just going to go through the night.


09;52;21;15 - 09;52;08;06

Kyle

You do whatever the medical drug was right behind me and they they just didn't. They didn't. Like, whenever I would start, they would stop. I was here, the door, open behind it.


09;52;06;23 - 09;52;03;01

Aaron

Yeah, that's that's what you look like. Well, they.


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Kyle

Also will encourage you to do it. They'll say.


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Jon

Hey, it's cold in your tired and it's a coffee in the back of the.


09;51;56;27 - 09;51;43;05

Kyle

Truck that you want to about for some of this one. They're actually really good about that, though in the beginning. But at this point, they're just like the systems there where it'll break it down enough without having to say a word.


09;51;39;12 - 09;51;25;00

Kyle

But yes, and so on. Yeah, but yeah. And so finally, another truck comes from the direction of what's going on now. Don't worry about it. You read the CBO and the guy's like, Look, we got to pack all this up.


09;51;24;14 - 09;51;05;14

Kyle

I was like, So pack it up, keep walking over. And he's like, No, we can't have anyone on track while you're doing this. So basically had a conversation with them. And as I'm still hobbling along because I didn't want to misstep because of I had stopped, I was going to fall over as bad.


09;51;05;12 - 09;50;52;24

Kyle

They would just come in just so I went in and I'm chugging along and doing about the same pace as what we were doing with the the.


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Jon

The yoke of this water.


09;50;50;26 - 09;50;50;02

Kyle

Here this morning.


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Jon

You know, the sort of stabilizers?


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Kyle

Yeah, that's what we.


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Jon

Did the hearing this morning with the artillery rounds on the ropes. So it's swinging all over. And it it came a little bit by surprise on how much it would stabilize it.


09;50;35;27 - 09;50;16;11

Aaron

Yeah. So it's as for those yo yo kids. So it's Olympic bar across your shoulders, and Jon has, for whatever reason, decided to pass the best in these artillery rounds that are as we wait them, they're really 83, £83 each.


09;50;15;03 - 09;50;11;23

Aaron

Hanging by a rope on each side of this thing while you walk, right?


09;50;11;14 - 09;50;08;08

Kyle

Anthony. Yeah, yeah, that's what it felt like.


09;50;08;04 - 09;50;06;16

Aaron

And this is about me.


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Kyle

No, no. Actually, I took the first step. I was like, Whoa, whoa, this is this is not good.


09;49;59;19 - 09;49;56;09

Jon

I'm not watching his face. I saw the realization that.


09;49;56;09 - 09;49;46;01

Kyle

A mistake may have been, you know, I just want more weight on. I was like and I kept the weight up had, Oh yeah, I probably have gone through your car.


09;49;43;21 - 09;49;36;16

Jon

Which would have really been unfortunate. So you're walking along essentially with giraffe legs? Yes, is what that illustration means.


09;49;36;15 - 09;49;27;02

Kyle

Yes, I've even already faced by a couple of times had to use a rifle like paper. So it was, yeah, it was a fun time. So the guy.


09;49;26;23 - 09;49;22;23

Aaron

At the end of yourself really had a year. Yeah. Anything you can do to try to.


09;49;22;20 - 09;49;21;09

Kyle

Correct it's all mental illness.


09;49;21;02 - 09;49;20;21

Aaron

Right?


09;49;19;18 - 09;49;03;05

Kyle

And the guy comes up and he's like a rookie golf course. And I was like, Well, show me the medical paperwork and come back. And so he drives off. I'm starting my trek up this hill, and I make it probably to me it felt like it was a mile.


09;49;02;25 - 09;49;00;21

Kyle

That's probably about five feet. Oh.


09;48;59;24 - 09;48;48;14

Jon

And to be fair, because this is important. I don't want to walk past it too quickly. You needing the medical paper is because you know that even though you're still going, you've not met the standard for the events, but you've not quit.


09;48;48;01 - 09;48;44;16

Jon

Correct. So you're saying before I take this knee, you proved to me, I can come back.


09;48;44;15 - 09;48;26;08

Kyle

Exactly. Yeah, that's what that was about. I wanted to make sure that I got another opportunity because you hear a lot of people in the medical jobs and they don't come back. But to me, I was like, If I'm going to get beat by this course, I'm going to face it head on again.


09;48;26;02 - 09;48;15;24

Kyle

And now I'm going to humble myself, which was done by day one. So I'm going to hold myself and train up to come back and be it.


09;48;14;29 - 09;47;59;17

Aaron

So that right there. Why? Like, you know how hard it is and you Premiere that decision when you're still in pain, I assume, right? Because you're telling them this. So, you know, eyes wide open at this point, you didn't know that prior to this course, but you know it will break you.


09;47;59;06 - 09;47;54;12

Aaron

Yes. And you said, I need to come back and beat this thing right back.


09;47;53;14 - 09;47;35;00

Kyle

You know, competitive. If it's a monopoly or something like this, that's Premiere, Janey. I want to be competitive at it. And again, it goes into that mindset and you've got to put yourself in it. And you know, we talk about mindset a lot, especially in, you know, a lot of work work on this and even in just


09;47;34;25 - 09;47;17;10

Kyle

normal soldiers, when they go through basic training, talk about mindset, bigotry, it say the big thing is that you don't always have to stay in that mindset 24-7. It's turning it on and off and learning how to analyze on certain emotions during an event.


09;47;16;20 - 09;47;01;15

Kyle

And in this case, the conversation came into that that desire to just drop back, you know, you had to push that to the side. You had to know how hard to turn it on if you didn't want to stay in that state, either the entire time because they can let you down.


09;47;01;12 - 09;46;44;04

Aaron

We've talked prior episodes about all the things you consider during that when it comes on the table that you could quit, right? And then there's certain things you say to give yourself an outlet. You could drop to Sacramento, right?


09;46;43;19 - 09;46;41;00

Aaron

And you could get on that metric or whatever, right?


09;46;41;00 - 09;46;40;21

Kyle

Really.


09;46;40;21 - 09;46;27;25

Aaron

So it's there is a present right, is it? Well, I noticed in that because that that ethic levels the playing field for everybody, because people think if you are thinking like that, then you're just not going to be a winner.


09;46;27;14 - 09;46;23;01

Aaron

But the winners have the same exact voices in their head to just handle it differently.


09;46;22;24 - 09;46;02;15

Kyle

Right? There's actually there's another podcast called Happy. And so it's this course that I really thought he would like. Yale, where is the science of happiness? And this instructor talks about how golfers and Olympic athletes, they go through that same emotion.


09;46;00;18 - 09;45;45;09

Kyle

They'll dog themselves a golfer or go up to a hole on Xbox. And he's like. I'm here on this whole always mess up my shot, and it takes their caddy to be that voice of like, no man. That was last time.


09;45;45;07 - 09;45;27;00

Kyle

It's a man, you know, and going through their motions of how to block certain negative thoughts that can then ultimately make it or you ruin a shot, right? It's the same concept. Just. You know, different body, different, it's all the same elements of the package.


09;45;25;24 - 09;45;09;16

Kyle

So it's interesting because it is really a big thing and actually speaking with the army and military as a whole has looked into this where now they have programs and people on bases that go train, how to think through events and stressors and stuff.


09;45;09;15 - 09;44;58;14

Kyle

So it's a it's a thing where it actually for better performance. You just don't know how to get through it so that it doesn't happen. You know how to get through it.


09;44;57;26 - 09;44;41;09

Aaron

Is that happening prior to the event as well? I mean, I'm thinking, Yes, you're right. We had this report prior to you, OK? It's like you almost had to say, I know there's many parts of us want to quit Zalman address that before I even get into it.


09;44;41;08 - 09;44;38;24

Aaron

And it's sort of like that. Or how do you do it? Yeah.


09;44;38;15 - 09;44;23;20

Kyle

Well, so again, it's like being humble beforehand. I was like, Oh, it'll be fine. Yeah, OK, whatever they throw at me, I'm OK. If you can't smoke a relic, you know it'll be fine. And then I got there.


09;44;23;11 - 09;44;07;27

Kyle

It was a gut shot. It was a gut check, you know, and they know that realizing I didn't prep my body from the time I was 18 and doing this business because I had broken myself, I had never worry about stretching.


09;44;07;27 - 09;43;54;02

Kyle

I never worry about doing the right thing. You know, after before I was going out, every time I didn't hear what you feel invincible, which I'm sure everyone goes through when you're younger. And it was a gut shot on all levels.


09;43;53;29 - 09;43;31;28

Kyle

Yeah. And then. After that gut check, that's when you're thinking through, OK. I really struggle with this, how do I build upon that on top of recovering to? So back to or talking to the guy who brought back the paper metal rock in the back of the faces of ever jumped in and truck before?


09;43;29;09 - 09;43;15;03

Kyle

And they were very able to give me some, some medical attention and some, like ibuprofen still better, which I'm sure worked. Oh, did great. That's good, because that didn't have anything.


09;43;14;23 - 09;43;11;11

Jon

Else on your body. So baseline, correct? It actually was effective.


09;43;11;02 - 09;43;00;20

Kyle

Yes. There's no stimulants at any point unless you have like coffee from from whatever channel that if there's no pills.


09;43;00;20 - 09;42;45;24

Aaron

Or you're so when you're broken. I think this is maybe the gift of brokenness is that there is no longer an excuse argument with yourself about the bad behaviors that you're doing that will take you away from top performance.


09;42;45;09 - 09;42;30;13

Kyle

Right? Well, I think it's more of a reflection. Yeah. You know, you're like, man, if only I had run before, if only I had not procrastinated when we were, you know, out about. I think I think it's more reflection.


09;42;30;04 - 09;42;24;18

Kyle

Yeah, the demons aren't. You shouldn't take off like there's something really powerful to that, though.


09;42;24;04 - 09;42;10;12

Jon

When you're living intentionally, when you're developing the mindset of I'm going to rise despite this adversity. In that choice, it's the choice to engage with the problem. You stop avoiding it and you start fighting through it.


09;42;10;09 - 09;42;09;23

Aaron

Yeah, right.


09;42;09;21 - 09;42;08;29

Jon

And that's important.


09;42;08;16 - 09;41;46;29

Kyle

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Because if you don't, then I mean. My opinion, if you don't, you're not going to ever see that anything that's hard, which as we know the things that are hard, are usually more rewarding. Even as simple as raising a family, right, that's harder and you're not going to succeed if you just throw your hands


09;41;46;29 - 09;41;40;02

Kyle

up, you know, taking care of the farm. That's a lot of work. You just got their hands up like, Oh.


09;41;39;09 - 09;41;34;10

Aaron

I heard the hard day right here.


09;41;34;04 - 09;41;18;13

Kyle

Know grown up in a farmland that they never took a day off and those were some hard working people. And even if they were sick or whatever the weather was, they were out doing, it didn't matter. And so I think there's something to be said for that.


09;41;18;00 - 09;41;08;04

Kyle

You have to be able to know how to push through. Yeah. And I think we all do it. But to a certain degree, not everyone's put in a position where they have to in that drastic build up, right?


09;41;08;03 - 09;40;56;07

Kyle

But we all find those challenges that make us make that decision. Do I turn right or left right takes when the hard path, but is a more rewarding left says, Hey man, just let it go and we find.


09;40;55;28 - 09;40;50;12

Aaron

You know, and most likely achieve it. But is that worth achieving?


09;40;50;01 - 09;40;49;19

Kyle

Is that.


09;40;49;10 - 09;40;49;04

Aaron

Right?


09;40;49;00 - 09;40;31;12

Jon

Yeah. And if you're the sum of your choices, then this all adds up and puts more capital in the tank on what you can say yes to as far as the hard tests are concerned. So I absolutely on the small things, you know, whatever they may be saying no to dessert or whatever the case may be, where


09;40;31;12 - 09;40;19;28

Jon

it's like, I'm going to choose the slight, small, hard over the easier, right? You know, those invest capital in what you have to be able to say. Now I'm going to wake up early are not going to do this now.


09;40;19;28 - 09;40;12;23

Jon

I'm going to read this book that I need to to sharpen my mind or put myself in this community to grow in this aspect, right?


09;40;11;23 - 09;39;57;21

Aaron

So it's the same. It's the same kind of feeling I feel like like if you're afraid of crowded race, but you've also challenged yourself and it can be physical, it could be it could be something you had to forgive in a friend or slightly.


09;39;57;15 - 09;39;42;22

Aaron

It's the same kind of difficulty, the same kind of mental fight you have. And so it feels familiar. So if you do it enough times, it's like, I know this muscle. It doesn't matter what difficulty it is, it's the same kind of rhythm.


09;39;42;10 - 09;39;20;29

Kyle

Right. And and also, Jonson, you said, like, I remember us having the conversations when you're out working together. And we talked about my first experience straight out of officer training, how like two weeks later went downrange and had this bandage combined examiner.


09;39;20;23 - 09;39;19;12

Jon

And downrange means deployed.


09;39;19;06 - 09;39;18;09

Kyle

Yes. Yes.


09;39;17;09 - 09;39;16;06

Aaron

I did not know that. Thank you.


09;39;15;29 - 09;39;14;15

Kyle

Yeah. Well.


09;39;13;19 - 09;39;12;16

Jon

That's what we're all just bouncing.


09;39;11;29 - 09;38;55;06

Kyle

Right? So you get deployed and had this huge joint mission where we brought in different air platforms combined with artillery. And I'm fresh out of the course and they say, here you get your school or radios.


09;38;55;04 - 09;38;53;29

Jon