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46. Leading to Serve _ Stewart Tice



 

Today I sit down with the one and only Stewart Tice. Stew is a dear friend to the Mayo family and is a Captain in the Army who just took command of his second unit. We spend time catching up, discussing how the Army is changing and why Stew thinks it is for the better, which acts as a refreshing dose of optimism and perspective. Additionally we dive into the intentional development of leadership and of oneself in the pursuit of service.

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Jon

Hello, everyone. I'm glad that you joined us today. As I sit down with the one and only Stewart Tice, Stew is a dear friend to the Mayo family and is a captain in the army who just took command of his second unit.


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Jon

We spend time catching up discussing how the army is changing and why Stew thinks it is for the better, which acts as a refreshing dose of optimism and perspective. Additionally, we dove into the intentional development of leadership and of oneself in the pursuit of service.


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Jon

We even have Lindsey join us in the beginning and towards the end of the show because the rascals were acting out. Glad you're here. Please do remember that I am doing this to develop my own mind and to share what we're working on, as well as to encourage you and hopefully inspire you to continue to press into


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Jon

the way to develop grit, to develop intentionality and to live a better life. So if you do find any value in today's conversation, if you take something away from it or in general, if you enjoy the show, please share it.


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Jon

Subscribe. We've review all that. Jazz helps us a lot. Shoot me a note if you have my information, if you're listening, you probably do. And that is all greatly appreciated. So thank you. And let's dove right in. So let me tell you a little story real quick while you're adjusting your idea of stew.


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Jon

So this morning we wake up, it's probably a lot of stories you can share that are fun like look at my finger. Is that normal looking?


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Lindsey

No, no.


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Stew

What did you do?


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Lindsey

He broke up cane and forest fighting, and he broke his knuckle and split a tendon and needed stitches and only butterfly at it.


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Stew

Correct. But it's still healing.


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Lindsey

Yeah. No.


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Stew

It's not. No, not the right way. It's not.


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Lindsey

Thank you. That's what I said. Victoria last week was like, Can I just smash it really hard with a book?


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Stew

No, it's it's still healing.


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Lindsey

No, it's not. Well, it needs reset yet.


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Stew

You need to have.


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Stew

That broken and like, put in a.


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Stew

Split.


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Jon

Thank you. That would mean another like six to eight weeks of no training or jujitsu.


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Lindsey

Or or you don't get your finger for the rest of your life.


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Stew

As opposed to saying Can look at it, you know, it's not binding.


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Lindsey

Thank you. Oh my gosh. Stewart, thank you.


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Stew

So years. It's going to look like that for 65 more years. Wow, that's a long lot.


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Lindsey

I only gave it.


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Stew

For it is to get that shit fixed.


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Lindsey

Thank you.


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Jon

I'll include a picture of the finger.


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Stew

For the.


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Jon

Show release so everyone can experience it.


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Lindsey

Yeah. And so all we can tell you that it's very broken and reset and the splint.


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Jon

See, there's there's just no way that I'm going to willingly awake and not under some form of Hallelujah. Drugs allow some to break my finger.


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Stew

They'll give you like.


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Stew

A value or something.


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Stew

Yeah, they'll drug you or whatever.


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Lindsey

But you need to have effects fixed genuinely. All right. That needs to be split.


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Jon

This was not the story I had in mind.


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Stew

Well.


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Stew

That wasn't the story.


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Stew

You know.


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Jon

This is like an intervention I'm not loving. So this morning I wake up and the kids are like just incessantly needy little turds. I love them, but I've already had them doing laps. And stop asking for help every five seconds.


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Jon

And I'm kicking them out. So that's my story for the boys. OK, what the heck happened to you, boys? Like every five seconds? It's like my dad, my dad.


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Lindsey

Have you told Stew how Gabe got stabbed with a pencil at school? Yeah.


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Jon

Your legacy can take you.


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Stew

Oh no, you told me the story of like either he.


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Lindsey

Stabbed Eric in the ear. Yeah. And then Gabe got stabbed by another kid with a pencil.


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Stew

Did he step in back?


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Lindsey

No. He was worried he was going to get sent to the principal's office.


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Jon

We talked about.


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Stew

C, and that's the way it's supposed to work.


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Stew

And I've never seen the child actually think like, Oh, I might go to the principal's office. I may not do that.


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Lindsey

Gabe's the only gave us the this to write. I was like, The principal's not going to do anything.


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Stew

Yeah, well, we talked.


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Jon

About getting ice cream if he defends himself, so we fix that and now they're good friends somehow, because you know how it is with young boys. one day you're stabbing each other with the pencil, doing a little bit shake shake and the next day you're eating ice cream together.


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Lindsey

So well, they built a puzzle. But, you know.


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Stew

Same, so how.


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Jon

How have you been, man.


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Stew

About moving at 1000 miles per hour, but splendid? Good.


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Jon

You just took command again, right?


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Lindsey

Yes. I can't fix the internet. You're going to have to figure it out or do something different for the next two hours. Go play outside.


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Stew

Is it warm?


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Jon

That's cool. That's called parenting since we got that all on recording.


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Lindsey

They tried to build to fire last night. Well, sorry, I can't.


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Stew

That was cool. It gets.


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Jon

Are fun.


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Stew

It got cold. It's been like in the fifties, but it was like 30 something this morning when I went to the store. But I think it's going to be like 70 tomorrow.


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Lindsey

Oh, it's nice. Have you guys been getting any like rain or ice or anything like that?


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Stew

Hmm.


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Lindsey

That's good.


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Stew

Oh, it rained like last Monday, I think it it's kind of like in the fifties and rainy was nasty, but not nothing worse than that.


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Lindsey

It's good. We've been getting ice storms. two, yeah, it's not been like in Oklahoma when we used to get ice storms, not even like, oh yeah.


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Jon

So it's pretty cool. The winter has been a bummer, man. There's not been.


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Lindsey

Really, really cold.


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Jon

Air for like a few days. We'll be out cold for a few days. Like today it's going to be the fifties and all you get is like an inch of ice. Yeah. So it's not it's not been a good winter so far, like moiStewre and getting the snow we need.


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Stew

I wonder if it's come in late, like Texas had a big, big storm in February of last year. If it's going to be like snowing in Colorado in June.


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Lindsey

Probably we had that huge blizzard in March last year.


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Stew

That's right. Something the Northeast is getting some big storm this weekend.


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Lindsey

They're getting smothered with it.


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Stew

I hope that.


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Jon

I hope we get a lot of snow just because we need the moiStewre. If nothing else, like I like winter. So this is my season and it's disappointing on a personal level. But if we don't get the snow and the moiStewre, then that's bad for fire season and summer and crops and all that.


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Stew

And the summer, when everything is supposed to melt and flow down to the mountains.


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Jon

And it's dry bone.


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Stew

Lots, people are going to be savin their low on seltzers this summer snowmelt.


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Stew

Yeah.


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Jon

That is the direct correlation. Got to keep the seltzer flowing.


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Stew

Absolutely.


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Jon

So you're still down in what Fort Hood?


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Stew

Fort Hood, Texas, the great place.


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Jon

And you just took second command. It did back to back.


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Stew

Back to back. Well, I had about three weeks of not being in command.


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Jon

You're a fairly large glutton for punishment.


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Stew

Yeah, don't I don't know why we do this to ourselves.


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Lindsey

How much longer do you at Fort Hood?


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Stew

At least until.


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Stew

I think I will switch out of this command in January of next year.


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Lindsey

So, OK, so you'll have a full year in command.


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Jon

Yes, I. I decided not to drink this year or so, since this year's Busy for you anyways. We can just get together next year. I'll probably work out better.


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Stew

With the entire year.


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Lindsey

Yeah, that's not going to happen. You can still come over.


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Stew

Yeah.


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Jon

I know I question my life decision on that all the time. But it's working. So we'll see how it goes. It's only January. We're going to make it which just. Crawling on.


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Stew

I don't have anything good to say back to that.


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Jon

So how's it been? Fort Hood? Obviously, I'm out. But I know it's hit the blender since you got there with the Stewff in, like I got out when things are starting to get pretty crazy, crazy with like a lot of the politics in COVID in games and you're still chugging along.


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Jon

So I just was a little curious to see what all that looks like and what it's been like because Fort Hood had some pretty big personnel issues. You then got thrust into command at time, which most people would say is not ideal.


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Jon

And you continue to choose to stay in when a lot of kids are getting out. And that's created its own challenges. So like, how is that flavoring the pot for you?


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Stew

That's a big question.


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Jon

Boom.


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Stew

Boom.


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Stew

I don't I don't think Fort Hood.


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Stew

Is any different than any other installation right now. It's big lots and lots of people. I think the only installation that has more people is Bragg, but there are different populations of people at each of Fort Bragg versus Fort Hood.


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Stew

And I think the what you saw in 2020, it was 2001. Yeah, that happened at Fort Hood was not any different than, say, Fort Carson, where we.


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Stew

Were.


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Stew

But a series of unfortunate events or a series of events that caught national headlines, the rest Fort Hood and to a different direction, obviously with Vanessa Guillen situation, which was then three. And I'm in first Cavalry Division. It's been interesting.


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Stew

I don't know. We're kind of the army's changing and has changed for the better. But the type of people that were not part of the problems are the same people that have been doing the things that the army is trying to change all along.


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Stew

As far as always, focus first on people. And look like the leaders that just take care of people, regardless of because something made national headlines or whatever. Personally, I don't know a lot. A lot of leaders are getting out right now and I don't know, maybe try to figure it out myself of why they are.


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Stew

I think I can. I can tell because it can easily burn you out very quickly or there's better opportunities, other places. Or maybe you just wanted to do.


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Stew

A.


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Stew

Short amount of time and then get out. I think I don't know, it's kind of hard to lots of lieutenants here at Fort Hood are getting out and trying to find a correlation to why that may be. If it is a Fort Hood thing, if it's an army thing or if it's just I came in to do


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Stew

four or five years, then move on or whatnot. For me personally? I don't know. Try to step down why I stay. Really enjoy the.


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Stew

People.


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Stew

Which is probably like the combination that everybody that stayed in for over four or five years says, but a different way. Enjoy, I don't know. I told myself long time ago with some of my friends I grew up with that the army was never for them.


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Stew

So I stayed because they they never, they never would or never could or never, never would have joined the army. I think I have maybe a few natural abilities. I'm not not the smartest, the fastest, not the brightest, not the most valuable leader, but I seem to fit into what's going on, I think.


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Stew

And I really enjoy doing it. I really enjoy the people that I work with. I've also been fortunate.


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Stew

I see some.


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Stew

I was talking to one of the lieutenants of my battalion yesterday. That does it. Does it work for me? I feel bad for the guy because he is throughout his career in different units, not just in the one we're now in now.


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Stew

He's never really found like a leader that he believed in or that, like made him want to stay. And on the opposite end, I've almost always been fortunate to work with people that. Are amazing. And so maybe maybe that's how some of the courses are different and that my previous battalion commanders, my brigade commander, I worked with


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Stew

for a long time, a commander here at the. My current commanders that I work underneath have all been phenomenal, inspirational people that you would like. I stay because I want to help them, but they stay because they want to help me, that type of mutual relationships.


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Stew

And because we, you know, I am inspired by the people I serve underneath. Maybe it translates through me and to those that serve underneath me. And I find just as much inspiration with.


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Stew

The.


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Stew

Folks I led my previous command and those I work with now. That answered your question.


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Jon

Yeah, that was a big answer for a big question. 11 thing that stood out to me was that I want to get your perspective on, as you said, you think the army's changing a lot for the better. I think for the most part.


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Jon

That's an optimistic view that I've not heard a lot of, right. A lot of people, I think, are more upset or sad about change, and that's kind of normal with humans to change anyways. But what are you seeing there specifically that you think that's inspiring that hope?


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Jon

I think the changes are good.


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Stew

Well, I think over it's really geared.


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Stew

Towards the army has renewed its its message that we are, you know, our most valuable resource is the people. That's always been true. But from 2001 to 2020, or maybe a couple of years before that. Maybe the things that we were the army specifically was being asked to do with the size that it was kind of like


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Stew

neglect of the people, or maybe we lost sight of the people that were the most valuable resources.


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Stew

Not.


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Stew

Not at the lower levels where the squad leader, the platoon sergeant, the platoon leader. They always have cared about the people unless, I mean, you always had the bad apples in the bunch from top to bottom. But I don't know if we've kind of acknowledged that we need to shift our focus back to the people.


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Stew

We definitely have the time. We've slowed the tempo down, even though it still feels, you know, completely busy all the time. So I'm optimistic that like we can, we can change back to what you know and like refocusing our priorities that we never probably should have lost at all along the way.


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Stew

But you know, as you're fighting in two different conflicts with additional, you know, rotational forces to other areas of the world, you know, the army was just really, really busy for a solid 20 years.


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Jon

Hmm. That's fair. That's awesome. And I think that's one of the things that does make the army and probably the second closest marines unique from, say, the Air Force in the Navy.


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Stew

Where.


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Jon

As an organization, our greatest resources are personnel. Right. Or the greatest resource for those organizations are the soldiers are marines were for the Navy, it's the ships and for the Air Force, it's the planes. The technology I've I've heard that comparison a lot.


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Jon

And I can see how that shift would be good if done well. That's cool. Yeah, that's cool. What's interesting is like if we look at history also going down to your from like staying in for the people and for the challenge and all that jazz, we're kind of going into this weird pseudo peacetime flavor we have been


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Jon

for a while right with. The Middle East, taking as long as it did in that always has its own challenges that seem to be unique.


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Stew

Which.


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Jon

And a lot of people tend to get out, I think historically also times like this. So it's good to have some good guys stay in for sure. Maybe I'm just grateful that I could have been a priest.


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Stew

I'm assuming I'm good, I don't know.


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Stew

Some somebody somewhere.


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Stew

Likes to keep me around.


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Stew

I agree, I think, yeah.


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Stew

It's hard to say that like. Because of the army changing or whatnot, there are, you know, bad leaders or whatever. That's the reason why we're we're losing a lot of good leaders. It also is because a lot of people in the last few years have come in wanting, knowing what the army has done over the last 20


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Stew

and wanting to be a part of that or being a part of what their father did or their grandfather, their aunts and uncles and whatnot. And because that's not necessarily going on right now, though, that could always change.


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Stew

You know that that is a reason as well. Hmm.


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Jon

Cool. So that's kind of the Army side then. And you just stood out like we already mentioned in your second round of. Command and then from there, you just started sea every year plus there, right, features pretty locked in.


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Stew

For the next year. Yeah, I did commander of the Line Line firing battery and then I just switched over to the headquarters battery back in December. So totally new set of challenges. But yeah, I'll be here for until about this time next year.


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Stew

Cool.


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Jon

So how's your team doing, man?


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Stew

The team in the in the the battery.


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Jon

Or what no lack of it, I see those Razorbacks on your oh chest.


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Stew

They're awesome. We turn it around, the football basketball started hot or we're going through a little like. Thought we might.


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Stew

Have looked.


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Stew

Good, not so good for a few games, I think we're we're bouncing back. We'll see how the rest of season goes and we're gearing up for baseball, which we're number one most of the year last year. So we'll see how they do.


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Stew

Big, strong recruiting class. But we didn't do so hot in the college World Series.


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Jon

Sad face.


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Stew

Sad, they should have we shot ourselves in the foot also.


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Jon

But how so, how did you shoot yourself in the photo?


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Stew

They said.


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Stew

OK, well, we were number one.


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Stew

All year and then that won. The regionals got to Omaha for the Carlisle College World Series and lost the first series. Yeah, against the first team. And but if you asked anybody, we probably should have like auto guide to the Championship game.


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Stew

And we did a little.


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Stew

Sad because all year we were like, This is the team like, this is the best team our coaches fielded in almost 20 years. He's been there. And then, you know, you just kind of deflate in the first week in there.


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Jon

Gotcha. So just kind of like a joke scenario.


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Stew

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what happened.


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Jon

Good Stewff. Well, not good Stewff. Sad Stewff. But we're.


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Stew

Back. We are back.


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Jon

Back on the climb. There you go. There's that white.


00;19;19;12 - 00;19;19;22

Stew

Guy black.


00;19;19;24 - 00;19;23;28

Stew

Line. It was the Celcius. Oh, it looks.


00;19;23;28 - 00;19;24;18

Jon

Like a clock.


00;19;25;20 - 00;19;26;21

Stew

Healthy energy drink.


00;19;27;08 - 00;19;28;15

Jon

Yeah. Celsius is again.


00;19;29;03 - 00;19;29;24

Stew

Both of them.


00;19;31;04 - 00;19;34;07

Jon

Did run around three of CC stamina manufacturer.


00;19;34;07 - 00;19;34;19

Stew

Wise.


00;19;36;16 - 00;19;37;08

Stew

I need to get some.


00;19;37;17 - 00;19;55;18

Jon

I know the while we keep running into problems, man, we just had a fire, a second manufacturer rate. We're 18 months into this game and we're not willing to sacrifice the quality and intent of the formula, right? And these guys have just not been good.


00;19;55;20 - 00;19;56;04

Jon

So.


00;19;56;14 - 00;20;04;16

Stew

OK, so try to like not shortcut Stewff, but like make it to where they can just mass produce, streamline and they lose sight of the quality.


00;20;04;22 - 00;20;20;05

Jon