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45. Hurt vs Injury _ Chad O'Donnell



 


Today I sit down with my good buddy Chad O’Donnell who is an Army Veteran, Salesman, Father, and all-around stud. We spend time catching up, laughing about the humbling and humiliating stories that occur when severely injured, and explore the complexities of fatherhood and faith.


Highlights include:

- Fatherhood and facing adversity. - The difference between "hurt" and "injury". - The danger of quitting. - Life changing moments from small decisions. - Overcoming serious injury and enduring health issues. - Engineering a life worth living instead of escaping. - No one eats until the last person sits down to the table. - The need for intentionality as we define our goals. - Faith, a crutch or a catalyst? - Apple Pie Moonshine


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*Throw back time!

 

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Jon

Dude I like your poster, "grind"? What's it say underneath?


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Chad

It's just the definition.


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Jon

Yeah.


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Chad

So I actually have.


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Chad

three of.


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Chad

Them up on the wall. You know? one of them, though.


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Jon

But where did the other two.


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Chad

Hustle and execution?


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Jon

Right? Sick.


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Chad

But it's just something I got to look at. You know, I'm in sales, so I'm traditionally on Zoom all the time, especially through COVID. And you know, I need things that are going to help keep me motivated throughout the day, throughout the week and to continue grinding.


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Chad

Right?


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Jon

Hmm. So what's that old cliche say? Does excellence is not an event. It's a habit. So what my favorite poster? I got a poster in my gym. It says comfort is a slow death. Prefer pain.


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Chad

It's so true, though.


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Chad

You know.


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Jon

It is. It is. It absolutely.


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Speaker 5

Is.


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Jon

So yesterday, man, we were talking about, we jumped on the phone and stuff as I was sitting around the roads in an ice.


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Speaker 5

Storm.


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Jon

And we were talking about essentially the importance of. Decisions in how one simple decision can alter an entire life. So I figure just to get to the gears moving as we kaugnay and get after it today, we could just dove into that if you want.


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Jon

Absolutely.


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Jon

See what comes from that?


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Chad

Yes, so my son, Emmett, he's he's eight, and we got him in this.


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Chad

In this wrestling program over near our house. And I never wrestle as a kid, so I don't really understand, you know, the real understand the concept of wrestling.


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Chad

But when you really get in the nitty gritty of it, I don't really get it right. So we jumped in with both feet and he's got practice twice a week.


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Chad

He has tournaments every so.


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Chad

Often on the weekends on Sunday. And so he gets involved.


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Chad

In this program, right? And it's incredible for me to watch, right? Because our competitive nature. Right.


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Chad

You always want to push, push, push, push. And he's right. So I'm living this kind of.


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Chad

Through his eyes for the very first time. And it's incredible to see, right?


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Chad

So you're watching these kids doing.


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Chad

Wind sprints.


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Chad

And pushups and sit up so you're not listening. Get on.


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Chad

The line. We're running, right?


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Chad

And I just got the biggest grin on my.


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Chad

Face for for an hour and a half.


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Chad

As I'm watching these kids.


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Chad

Suffer. Right?


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Jon

Yes.


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Chad

Right. Because I personally suffered my entire life through a form.


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Chad

Of athletics, right?


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Chad

Just not wrestling. So after every practice.


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Chad

He's coming back like, dad, you don't get it. You know, like, we.


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Chad

Just ran for an hour and a.


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Chad

Half and I'm so tired and I don't want to do this anymore. And I'm like, Son, it's going to be OK, you know?


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Chad

And an hour later, he's.


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Chad

Like, Dad, let's practice this move in the living room, you know?


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Chad

And so he's super pumped about wrestling, right?


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Chad

Which I'm.


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Chad

Super pumped.


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Chad

About, right? Because I'm living through this.


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Chad

For the first.


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Chad

Time. And so he's been to eat. We've technically been to three matches now, but.


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Chad

The first two.


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Chad

Matches, he took second.


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Chad

Place in the first place, right?


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Chad

So he's just used his.


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Chad

Sheer strength.


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Chad

And ability to kind of.


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Chad

Figure it out.


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Jon

In real quick on that because I've got to share some context because I'm just grinning over here.


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Speaker 5

Because.


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Jon

I have memories that no one else here has. But I used to call you affectionately the white gorilla because. And you got me into being really dedicated about squatting and deadlifting and doing weighted lunges and just really going insane for strength, and I appreciate that God, man.


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Jon

I was like eight years ago now.


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Speaker 5

Holy crap.


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Jon

But the reason I bring this up is because you would. Put a chain belt on. With I'm not even sure if you remember doing this like three or four plates were working out one day you for like three or four plates between your legs with this chain belt and we were doing dips and you're not a little


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Jon

guy either. So like you're you're like well over £350, easily probably pushing for doing these dips.


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Speaker 5

And.


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Jon

You just start cranking out like 123. Like, no problem. You're not even fazed. I'm just like demoralized and pissed off and want to do more because of it. And the bar that you're doing, the dips on starts bending downwards because it wasn't meant for that to work and you got angry at the bar and started cursing at


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Jon

the bar mid set and you didn't stop. You continued, You finished your reps with the bar like bed down like 15 degrees more than it should have. And you got off easy. Just curse that you just dropped about.


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Jon

You just like, walk off. It's like, OK, we're not even going to clean up after this, because how dare this gym give us inferior equipment that can't withstand what I needed to do? So that's just a taste of the insanity that we did together.


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Jon

And I know you live and die by pursuing that type of just hard core push yourself mentality. And I do the same, but I remembered that and I thought, you'd like to stroll down memory lane.


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Chad

Well, and just to add a little context.


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Chad

When we were out there together, you know.


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Jon

In OK.


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Chad

You were the guy.


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Chad

That was.


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Chad

Literally sprinting as we were running.


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Chad

Long distance and I'm thinking like, Oh man, I got to sync up with this guy because if we.


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Chad

Bring our powers together, you.


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Chad

Know, it's going to be unstoppable. So don't think that you didn't help me.


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Chad

In terms of that front as well.


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Chad

As I'm carrying you on my back.


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Chad

And we're running.


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Chad

Long distances and then we.


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Chad

Switch and you're carrying me.


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Jon

Which was, by the way, not a fair trade because you had an easy £50 on me. So I appreciated it because I like I'm a masochist. I like pain. But it was like, This is not an equal trade.


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Jon

I do. I'm glad you brought that up, though, and it's a real quick deviation before we get back to to end it using his strength, which he came by honestly to kind of win.


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Speaker 5

Up.


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Jon

And up until the point of what you're sharing. But I remember because we, you know, we were both like really junior in our military careers. We're getting into a system in like in most groups, right, there is going to be kind of the leader, right, the natural leader who who evolves and becomes the person who everyone looks


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Jon

to. And typically, if there's two strong individuals, what happens is rivalry is created, right? But we I remember we had very intentional conversation. We we realized that there was a rivalry between you and I, but it wasn't in the form of competition to beat one another.


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Jon

It was more of a worthy rival. Like, we found something that was like, OK, you're stronger. I'm weak, I'm stronger, you're weak. If we partner out, no one's going to be able to stop us, and we're both strength each other holistically.


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Jon

And like I remember that conversation, that's how we spent those months together is awesome. I just think it's a different perspective. That is, it talked about often. So I'm glad you brought that up.


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Chad

And just to add to that thought.


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Chad

Having you and your family out there made a world of difference.


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Chad

For me because when we would come out.


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Chad

From whatever we were doing, studying or we were out in the field or whatever.


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Chad

And I would come over there and felt like a second family. So I do want to give.


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Chad

Praises.


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Chad

To to you and especially Lindsey and the boys, because it felt a little bit natural. For me, when it doesn't usually do so when when a.


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Chad

Majority of.


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Chad

People are going back to a hotel.


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Chad

And we were out there for.


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Chad

Literally six months, so.


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Jon

Lindsay's amazing and just two to tie together in case people are guessing like what? What the heck and who are you? And things like that since you're in a good flow here. So your Chad O'Donnell, you're an artillery officer now in the guard?


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Jon

Yep, National Guard. You're also in technology sales.


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Speaker 5

Yep.


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Jon

You've undergone an injury over the last couple of years, which we'll probably talk about. And you and I know each other because we cut our teeth together through our officer, basic training staff at Fort Sill Oklahoma with all the glory that that was.


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Speaker 5

And.


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Jon

Have maintained contact sets and enjoy each other's company and mindsets. And that's why we're here today. So I'd leave anything out, man, that was like a good 32nd shock blast.


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Chad

Yeah, I know that was pretty much the gist of it.


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Jon

Cool. So before I jumped in, you're talking about how it is throwing around and it being your son is throwing around kids in the first couple of tournaments just because he's built like his father and is therefore a stud.


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Speaker 5

Ox.


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Jon

And has strength. And that's leading up to a competition the most recent one, correct most recent tournament.


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Jon

OK.


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Chad

So this was last weekend. We go into this.


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Chad

In this fairly large tournament, I would say a regional.


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Chad

Put on by the state.


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Chad

Of California, which.


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Chad

Give a little more context. I live in the state of California.


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Chad

So adversity in terms of weather.


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Chad

Isn't necessarily.


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Chad

There for my son.


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Chad

And so if it's about 70 and he's not.


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Chad

Wearing shorts and a.


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Chad

Form of flip flops, there's a problem because he's cold. And so we can dig into that.


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Chad

A little bit later. But adversity.


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Chad

Is an issue.


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Chad

For a majority of people that live down here in.


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Chad

Southern California. Would you say that to say the least.


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Jon

As in, there's a lack of it.


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Chad

There is a lack of it. Absolutely.


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Jon

It's a comfortable place to live.


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Chad

It is a very.


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Chad

Comfortable place to live. So we go up to say we go up to San Clemente, where this last tournament was at with Emmet and we go in.


00;10;08;07 - 00;10;09;06

Chad

There and there is a.


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Chad

Ton of kids.


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Chad

Normally we're in this very.


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Chad

Much.


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Chad

Smaller tournament like a local tournament, and that's where he took first and second, right? So now we're in kind of a regional tournament.


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Chad

A lot more kids, a lot more skill and he's looking at me like, you got to be kidding me. Like, this is only.


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Chad

My third tournament, what's going on here?


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Chad

So he goes into his.


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Chad

first.


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Chad

Match and he beats the kid. This kid is actually extremely good. You could tell that he he had a lot of technique.


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Chad

And he's been wrestling for a.


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Chad

Long time and it just happened to man handle him. He just got lucky and he used.


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Chad

His sheer strength.


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Chad

To take this kid out and he comes off the mat and he won right.


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Chad

He won eleven to three. He didn't pin.


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Chad

The kid, but he won eleven to three. And so he comes off the mat and he's looking at me like, Oh, my finger hurts. Like, I don't know if I can continue doing this, and I could tell just because I'm a competitor of an athlete my entire life, I could tell he was.


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Chad

Tired.


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Chad

And he was like, Oh, this took it all out of me. I don't know if I have anything left. I might just sit down, drink. Some water is going to be fine. And he's like holding his finger. I'm like, Dude, come on now.


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Chad

Been there, done that.


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Chad

Bought that.


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Chad

T-shirt.


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Chad

Twice. So he's sitting down and it's like, All right, you.


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Chad

Know this adversity starting to.


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Chad

Kick in a little bit. He's never had.


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Chad

Adversity in.


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Chad

Wrestling thus far, right? Because he's just mop the floor with everybody. Some, like sour.


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Jon

Taste.


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Chad

Is getting a taste. Sit down, you'll be fine. So I'm like, we're watching everyone else and end to give a little more context. Both my dad and Kate's dad.


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Chad

Emmett's moms are both grandparents were there.


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Chad

In the stands.


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Chad

And Kate's dad wrestled at the.


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Chad

Naval Academy, so he's.


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Chad

Got a little wrestling background.


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Chad

I don't. My dad doesn't.


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Chad

But we're all just wrestling.


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Chad

We're all we've all been athletes, our entire lives.


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Chad

And we're watching this and we're extremely proud.


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Chad

That.


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Chad

That proud sense.


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Chad

And in a.


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Chad

Father.


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Chad

Watching their son just compete, especially mano a mano. You know what I mean? Yeah.


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Chad

So we go to the third match.


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Chad

And it goes on the.


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Chad

Mat, he's ready to go. He's fired up, right?


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Chad

And they go into it, and Emmett continues to mock this kid. Mop, mop him up. And something happened where they get tied up and something felt funny. And he went and put his arm out, and it went to put his arm out.


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Chad

As they're rolling to the ground, put his arm out.


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Chad

And then he all of a sudden went to his back.


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Chad

And he starts grabbing his arm and screaming.


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Chad

Like screaming at the top of his lungs right in this big auditorium. And I'm like, Oh, no, you know, I'm like right on the edge of the mat, like, come on.


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Jon

Oh.


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Chad

And he's just screaming, right? Not doing a thing, just sitting there. So he gets pinned and he kind of gets up holding his arm. And I'm like, looking back at.


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Chad

The grandparents, like, what.


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Chad

The hell's going on? You know, I yeah, I didn't notice it. I'm videotaping for my wife who's not there. I'm trying to watch him at the same time sitting by his coach. And we had no idea what happened at the time.


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Chad

He comes off, he's screaming. He's like, Dad, I want to go home. I can't do this anymore. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. I'm hurt, I'm hurt. And I just sit down, drink some water because I didn't see it at the time.


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Chad

And he's just screaming, crying. I'm like, What the heck is going on, you know, because I didn't see it? Right? I didn&