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39. Savage Gentlemen


 

Today we discuss the difference between being “like minded” and “group think”. We also discuss the type of men we are working to raise our sons to become.


Highlights include:

-Like Minded: Diverse opinions and shared ideals.

-Warning: Experience does not guarantee expertise.

-Common denominators.

-Exercise sovereignty over your life.

-Savage Gentlemen.


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Jon

Let's go. Hello. Grit Theory, just wanted to see what type of reaction I could get off Lindsey with a different type of opening their.


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Lindsey

Lindsey is super hyped out on caffeine right now and it's not OK.


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Jon

Yeah, we're caffeinated. Were motivated. It's a fun day.


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Lindsey

It is a fun day.


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Jon

So today there's a few things to chat about. Welcome to another episode of the theory. And before we dove right on in, we have an ask for you in that ask is that you please pay forward any value you see in this episode by subscribing leaving us five star reviews sharing the show.


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Lindsey

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Lindsey

But if you hear something in one of our episodes, either on great, entrenched or even coffee and great, go ahead and just send it to someone that you feel could benefit from it.


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Jon

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Jon

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08;04;48;13 - 08;04;33;22

Jon

heard episodes, and we're asking what they, as you had mentioned, the term like minded and they were asking what we meant. And there is some like, are you talking about group think or are you talking about shared ideals?


08;04;33;22 - 08;04;22;26

Jon

You know, that type of jazz. So, OK, you know, when a question comes up, I'm like, Well, there's probably more than one who has it for me and for you. I think that the concept of like minded is very well defined in clear.


08;04;22;26 - 08;04;10;26

Jon

We both. So Joe, I'll start with the definition. To be like minded is to have a shared set of ideals, right? You want to go in the same direction. Right. It's not group. Think what I would call groupthink to define.


08;04;10;26 - 08;04;03;29

Jon

I'd say the opposite, which is where difference in opinion or perspective is shunned, right? It's not.


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Lindsey

Welcome.


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Jon

Yeah, it's like lock step. We want to believe the exact same things. Any disagreement is opposition in a threat. Those types of things that I would quite categorize that as group think. And that is the opposite of what we want because.


08;03;49;11 - 08;03;36;01

Lindsey

And I want a lot of different opinions. I want someone to be able to challenge me or say, Hey, have you thought about doing it this way? I did this and it took me five minutes doing it this way instead of, you know, I've been watching you struggle for five minutes, type of thing.


08;03;35;24 - 08;03;10;26

Lindsey

Yeah. So for us, the the like minded is totally, hey, let's have a lot of different diversity within our community so that we can call upon each other and really just hone in to each person's skills because all of us are going to have different skills that we're strong and will have different strengths and different weaknesses, and


08;03;10;26 - 08;02;58;08

Lindsey

it's totally in that like team movement type of thing. Hey, we noticed this person's really strong in this area. OK, let's go ask them and figure out and learn from what they do and how they've done it.


08;02;57;27 - 08;02;40;17

Jon

It's the entire concept of iron sharpens iron. Yeah. And to summarize it closely, we want to build a community of like minded visuals. That is our purpose with the grit theory. You know, the the goal I have is to inspire the next generation of way makers and way makers.


08;02;40;06 - 08;02;14;12

Jon

To become a way maker is to be someone who embraces and cultivates grit the choices you make on a daily basis. Grow your courage, grow your bravery, they grow your resolve in your stick to tennis and ultimately increase this character trait of grit so that you're more fully able to live intentionally in the moment, take responsibility for


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Jon

your actions and push towards a future of your choosing. Despite the difficulty and the obstacles that are in the way, right? And what I love about the idea of a way maker is it embraces this idea that where there's opposition, you will gain skill set.


08;01;59;06 - 08;01;34;00

Jon

The obstacle is, in fact, the way which is in world Marcus Aurelius thought from from way back in the day. And it's simply true when you are willing to continue forward in the pursuit of an ideal despite. Concern of loss or adversity or difficulty, you become a higher level, higher performing human being, so when you embrace great


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Jon

, you become winemaker. That's our goal. I want to build a community of people who share that ideal right, who want to live intentionally, exercise personal ownership and cultivate grit in their lives so that they can become better versions of themselves, leaders in their families and their communities, and ultimately through this coalition of people.


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Jon

We can build a brighter tomorrow while safeguarding today. You know, those ideas are all baked into this. So when I when I think about being like minded, those are the types of pursuits and ideals I want to be with.


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Jon

I don't want to spend time with going back to watering your lawn from episode one and be careful who's in your inner circle. I don't want to spend time with a bunch of fat, lazy people who want to be victims and do not want to pursue or take ownership of anything in their lives, make things better and


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Jon

are looking for excuses and easy outs. zero interest. I want to be with people wherever they are in the journey, whether at the start, the midpoint or well advanced beyond me who are looking at how can I seize the day, right?


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Jon

Because nothing's guaranteed.


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Lindsey

When you really need those people who are in a in different stages of life because you will, you can learn so much from them, especially if they're in a stage of life ahead of you. Right. It's like, don't just have one.


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Lindsey

You can call him a mentor if you want, but that's not even necessary. I friends, mentors, whatever language you'd like to use with that, that's fine. But don't just have one, have many because each of them are going to have gotten where they are in different ways.


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Lindsey

But then you can also start going, well, this one did this and he also did this, or she also did this right. And you kind of start to see these patterns of, OK, this is how this type of thinking and this type of progress is achieved.


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Lindsey

It really does come down to some simple. Oh, that's a good word like baseline, it's not a baseline, there's simple principles, I guess you could say, on how to get where you want to go.


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Jon

Well, I think ideals are something you pursue by embracing the principles that they deal represent. So if you're pursuing cultivating grit as an ideal, then you're going to embrace having better determination and resolve. You're going to embrace being courageous in exercising bravery.


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Jon

Right. So it's like, right, I think you're spot on there. And you know, the one thing.


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Lindsey

Most people take similar steps to get to a certain level of where they want to go with something right? Like if you want to be a CrossFit person, you have to pick up the weight. You know, like that is your that's the common denominator, right?


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Lindsey

Like, through all of it, you've got to pick up weight. And then if you want to advance and become a higher person in CrossFit, like now you want to compete and you want to go to games. Well, now you have to do it consistently and pick up more weight.


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Lindsey

Right. So it's like these building blocks. So you need a lot of different people to come in and around you to figure out what are those common denominators? Sorry, I hit my water. What are those? Those things that we need to do to move forward together in the direction that we're all pursuing?


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Lindsey

With like mindedness.


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Jon

Agreed. And I really that the last piece on this. Well, before I say the last piece of my mind on the desert, on the like mindedness versus groupthink, you made the comment of like people in greater life stages.


09;57;57;16 - 09;57;45;00

Jon

Be warned, though. Evaluate who your heroes are going to be, who your mentors are going to be, who you're looking up to in the types of lessons you're going to learn because experience does not guarantee expertize. Correct.


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Lindsey

And I'm glad you said that.


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Jon

Yeah, there's a lot of people I know who've been married twice as long as us and their marriage is crap, right? I know a lot of people who have grown kids and their kids are disasters. You know, just because they've walked the path doesn't mean that you should learn from their example.


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Lindsey

Right? Yeah, look at the fruit of their life. Yeah.


09;57;27;28 - 09;57;10;13

Jon

You may learn what not to do, right, but it's good to judge for yourself the value in the same thing with it. Like this show, right? I think about this. I'm sharing what I think when we have the show I'm sharing and I'm trying to make how I've come to these conclusions accessible for people to play with


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Jon

themselves. I'm not telling people how to think. I don't want you to assume my thoughts for yourself. I want you to evaluate them, challenge them, discard them or use them as you see fit as a free human being with your own.


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Jon

Sovereignty over your life.


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Lindsey

Right? Well, and and the whole reason this conversation came up is because someone reached out and was like, Hey, can you guys clarify this? So I have a better understanding. Right? And I think that that's something. Are we really need from our community and our listeners, if you hear something and you're like, Oh, I don't know if


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Lindsey

I agree with that. Reach out and be like, Hey, can you kind of explain this a bit more to me so that we can say, Oh man, wow. Yeah, we didn't use the correct language or we didn't expand upon that thought enough.


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Lindsey

Let me tell you what, what the heart behind that was.


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Jon

Yeah. Explain our exploration, right? Because yeah, we're exploring. And I love that because we're on a journey. I don't consider myself a subject matter expert, but I do consider what we're doing here to be. We've had the courage to share our vulnerabilities, right?


09;55;58;25 - 09;55;46;05

Jon

Hey, we're figuring this out. We're walking through life, but we're going to share it with you. And the ask in that, aside from sharing the show, is let us know when we're not in the point because we will explain our thoughts more.


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Jon

We will explore more. We will admit if we change our minds, right? And that is the last point I had you cited imperfectly. No, it's pretty. It's beautiful diversity in my mind. Differing opinions, right? Are the spice of life.


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Jon

I love having conversations with people who see the world differently than me. But still want to make a better world. Right? The baseline ideals are the same, which comes into the like mindedness, but the different political perspectives, the different approach to solving problems and how they see different things.


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Jon

I love it. I love being challenged in it. I love putting myself in the position to think to seek understanding, right, so I can understand how they see the world. That doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it.


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Jon

But if I can genuinely pursue understanding to the point where I see how you see it this way, I now understand why you see this way. That is an amazing feeling. And I can say from that point now that I understand how you see it.


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Jon

That gives me a more fuller picture, an appreciation for how I see it. And we can respect each other in that, and maybe it will change how I see things. But there's this beauty to a necessity to have diversity when in a community of like minded individuals.


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Lindsey

Right, right. Yeah, there's a lot of power and perspective.


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Jon

And you see that through our show, right? If you look at the span of our conversations with guests, we have an incredibly diverse array of individuals who see the world very differently. But the thing that is bringing us together right is that like minded focus on ideals.


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Jon

We want to pursue and make a better tomorrow by improving ourselves.


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Lindsey

And I want to make sure that, you know, those who do listen to us, our community are they feel that you and I are approachable and we are a b were reachable for lack of better words. But I, we have our phones.


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Lindsey

We have ways for you to get a hold of us like, please reach out. Talk to us. This is the whole point that we started. The podcast is we want to have relationship with others to create a community of where we can draw upon these different things and create a culture around like this is how we thrive


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Lindsey

, and this is how we can be diverse. And this is how we can think in the same direction, but still bring everything that we have to the table.


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Jon

Yes, this is a unique attempt at creating community.


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Lindsey

Yeah, right. So please reach out to us.


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Jon

We want to bring together winemakers.


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Lindsey

Right? Absolutely.


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Jon

And I'm really excited about that concept. The book that I've mentioned on social media that I'm writing and you're helping edit. Thank you. It talks a lot about this way maker mentality and lots of exciting things to stay tuned there.


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Jon

Now there is one other topic I want to just to touch on today, and that is the type of men were raising. So the last coffee and grid episode where you really explore and we explore cultivating respect, right?


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Jon

And you made an offhand comment as we went through it about, you know, we're not trying to raise that type of ban or something like that, right? We're, you know, we're trying to. It was in context of having emotions, right?


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Jon

Yeah. And that just made me think, you know, hot. Damn, I want to really throw a working definition out there. I've not shared it with you yet. See what you think, but about the type of men we want to raise, right?


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Jon

And when I think. And what I love about this is this is a self licking ice cream cone at its best at its pinnacle, right? Because when I look at the type of man I want to grow and cultivate in my sons, that is an immediate mirror for me to look at the type of person, the type


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Jon

of man. I better will be perceived to be on the whole leading by example piece, right? Otherwise, they're going to laugh at me. And there's a lot of this that is the type of person as well. But I'm speaking with specificity towards my son's becoming men and the type of man I want to be, so.


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Jon

And I want to get your thoughts on this. But when I look at what type of men am I trying to raise our sons to be? I want to raise young men who have hearts that are compassionate and willing to care and love deeply.


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Jon

And I want to raise young men who are incredibly dangerous, incredibly dangerous. They're absolute monsters, but are aware of their capability, aware of the fact that they're monsters and therefore bring it under self-control and self-discipline.


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Lindsey

Like wielding a weapon.


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Jon

Correct? Aren't they? I want powerful. Dangerous. Young men who are under control and who are under self-control and capable of extraordinary acts of compassion and love. That's what I want to raise, because if we do that. And we equip them to ask questions to think, equip them to exercise logic and a little hint towards a future episode


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Jon

with you can instill in them a love for learning. Then they will become unstoppable forces for good and light in this world. Yeah, and that's what I want. Yeah, absolutely. You know, what I don't want is young men who my daughters can feel safe with, right?


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Jon

That whole concept that a daughter can. Someone can feel happy that their daughter's safe with them. Screw that. I want to raise young men who the future father in law's of their wives are like. I know that my daughters are safe because of them.


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Lindsey

Right?


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Jon

Big difference one is able to protect and provide. one is neutered, docile and incapable of protection, and they're very different. So what do you think about that?


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Lindsey

We've talked about this a lot. I know that that's more of an articulated. Response. OK, what do you think of this articulation? I think it's good, I mean, but this isn't something like our kids are not a lot older and we finally figured it out.


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Lindsey

No, we've kind of this has always been the this has been the heartbeat of what we've wanted for our sons. And I think you've just articulated it really, really well this time around instead of us trying to be like, Well, I don't know about that one or whatever scenario that it is, but I I think that that's


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Lindsey

what we want. I'm not. I want to raise men. I want to raise men who change not just themselves, not just their people, that they are surrounded by not just their future spouses or their families, but then they go out into the community and change the community for a greater good.


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Lindsey

And then they affect the community and they change the country for greater good, right? Like the whole thing that we're trying to do. Is. To raise men who are going to go. Create and change for a greater good.


09;48;56;02 - 09;48;42;16

Jon

Correct. I didn't create this term. There's a business actually about it, and it looks like they have some corner trying to do nothing about the business. So I need your research. So don't take this as like a character statement at this time, but the company's called Savage Gentleman.


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Jon

I love that picture. We want to a savage gentleman. Yeah. And what do you think about the daughter peace? That I said specifically about, you know, young men that.


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Lindsey

Well, it was a that said that the other day, so.


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Jon

Well, you brought up the frustration.


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Lindsey

Right? Yeah, I get really frustrated with the whole like raising, I'm raising a son that your daughter can be safe with. Now I totally get and understand that. There is a lot that men push on. It's hard because I understand what the point of it is because you're seeing more of the MeToo movement, and that's where that's


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Lindsey

coming from. And not that the MeToo movement is bad at all. I think that those types of things can absolutely. It's hard because everybody can be deceitful and dishonest, right? So how do you now take like sharp cases in the army and the MeToo movement and just sexual harassment in general, right?


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Lindsey

Like, it has been a man's world for a really long time. And I see that women have risen and different aspects of that, right? But the way that they've had to get there, it's not come. Lightly, in the aspect of men, do you try to take advantage of women, but you also have the the other hand of


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Lindsey

women take advantage of men as well. So not everybody's motives are clear this that the other. So I understand where a lot of influencers on social media are trying to say, Hey, I have sons that your daughter is going to be OK with because of those parameters.


09;46;54;10 - 09;46;32;23

Lindsey

Right. But it aggravates me because now you're trying to group all boys into this category of their filth and your daughter is not right and like that. Yeah, masculinities toxic and feminism is everything that it needs to be.


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Lindsey

Now, I think feminism is fantastic. I have voting rights. I have things that women who have gone before me have gotten to deal, and I have a lot of free rights because of those women. Mm-Hmm. I don't 100% agree with like the bra burnings and all the craziness of the far left or right feminism, right?


09;46;12;16 - 09;45;50;12

Lindsey

OK, so I sit in between on both camps of the men and the women. OK, so it's hard because it's like I have sons. I am not innately male, but at the same time I can also go. These are the core aspects and the things that you look for in women who are not going to deceive you


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Lindsey

, manipulate you and try to take advantage of your standpoint.


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Jon

Correct.


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Lindsey

And that's what bothers me.


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Jon

Well, it's because we believe in the sovereignty of a human being, regardless of their gender, and that's where this comes in. And. And I wanted to hit on this because I knew the way that I first delivered it.


09;45;31;25 - 09;45;26;07

Jon

Left too much for interpretation, and I wanted to dance in the grade because this is not a black and white conversation.


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Lindsey

No, it's, you know.


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Jon

It's not right, wrong. It's there's a lot of in here and you know that hearing you further explore it. And as I further rap about it, it's like, here's a problem societally, we've had. Abuse of manipulation across time.


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Lindsey

Right, right. And that's and that's where it stems from.


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Jon

And that's.


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Lindsey

The so I understood the influencers trying to come back to trying to be like, Hey, we're raising them differently. But I think the way that it was communicated was not fantastic.


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Jon

Yeah. So if that's the root, right, if that's the issue, oftentimes and there's a problem, there's an overcorrection.


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Lindsey

Yes.


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Jon

And I think that's one of the things we don't like. So it's like, OK, here's the problem. There's abuse and manipulation between sexes, right between males and females. Just to be clear in that stance shots. So there's there's different ways of solving problems.


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Jon

Yeah, right. And I wrote this down. I said two solutions to safe daughters or ensuring the safety of daughters right in this conversation, from the context of raising men and raising our men is there's one way that's being proposed to society, which is neutered, weak and therefore safe.


09;44;13;16 - 09;43;56;19

Jon

That's what we don't like, correct? The other one that we are proponents of and that we're championing 100% is this savage gentleman concept of safety through competence and care, right? Safety through competence and care. And I think that's the are.


09;43;54;08 - 09;43;31;04

Jon

Our response to the problem is, you're right, we need to raise something amazing. But that thing is not going to be a neutered weekend disposed of broken version of what these boys can be. It's going to be young men who come into their full capability and learn restraint so that they can provide, protect and love and benefit


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Jon

society through competence to care. So I was happy with that. What do you think?


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Lindsey

Yeah. And that way they can really create partnerships with who their future spouse will be. Right? Because that's really what we want for them. We want them to be able to be in a thriving relationship because we are created for relationship.


09;43;08;28 - 09;42;57;05

Lindsey

Correct. And so that is something that our heart's desire is they have to be able to be these things so that they can have partnerships with their future spouse.


09;42;56;29 - 09;42;40;20

Jon

Yeah. And for us, our belief in our ideals is that their spouses will be daughters, women. Right? Yeah. So that they can grow families now. I'm a huge fan of freedom and individual choice, and I don't have judgment or criticism against someone.


09;42;40;20 - 09;42;28;04

Jon

If they're gay or have different sexual preferences, I don't care. But don't put your standards on what you want on me, and I won't put them on you. Right? There's this amazing thing of live and let live that some people don't want to do.


09;42;27;22 - 09;42;10;02

Jon

And I'm actually a proponent of because I believe in human sovereignty. So I I am pursuing and believe and am raising my sons to marry women and grow families and have children and continue this pursuit. Right? As a savage gentleman, that's not a judgment, do you?


09;42;09;21 - 09;41;51;00

Jon

Right, but don't bring what you do into my house? And I think that's a fair thing to say. It's an exhilarating thing to say after years of being stifled on topics like this. But it's also important because just like we're not going to raise boys who stay boys and are are reliant and neutered, we're going to raise


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Jon

self-reliant providers who can care for and lift up people. Right?


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Lindsey

Well, and I think that really starts now. They are boys and. We understand that they're under our care, but at the same time, if we don't start the foundation that we're raising them to be men now, then they will always have a boy like mentality.


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Lindsey

Correct.


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Jon

And we see that.


09;41;28;05 - 09;41;12;17

Lindsey

And we're always addressing them as young men. And you know that they will become a man as they mature and become older. And I think that that's really important to the way that you lay your foundation really matters.


09;41;12;13 - 09;40;58;15

Jon

Mm-Hmm. And you know, I think about the Kaiser's right. Craig Kaiser was on the show a few episodes back, his four daughters. And I just think about I want to be able to, you know, if one of my sons in one of his daughters were to marry in the future, I want to be able to look him


09;40;58;15 - 09;40;48;21

Jon

in the eyes and said I did my best. I'm confident that he will be able to provide a life that you would want your daughter to walk into and look at it from that perspective because we've not been blessed with a daughter.


09;40;48;06 - 09;40;37;26

Jon

And you know, at that point, I didn't want to touch on this. We've have all sons. But if we were to be blessed with a daughter, the world better watch out because that young lady is going to be something incredible, right?


09;40;37;15 - 09;40;23;22

Jon

Because I will adapt this mentality to appropriately match the needs of a daughter versus sons. And that will be another dirty old in of itself. But there's so much value in raising a human being that.


09;40;22;26 - 09;40;21;02

Lindsey

A well-rounded human being, just.


09;40;21;02 - 09;40;20;15

Jon

A well-rounded.


09;40;20;15 - 09;40;09;29

Lindsey

Human. I think we had this conversation last night at dinner. And I think that that really matters to you of like this whole concept of like, Oh, well, men can't cook. That's the that's a woman's place or whatever.


09;40;09;28 - 09;39;55;25

Lindsey

Right? I get that that idea is a lot further from the norm these days. But our boys, I normally do the cooking and because of just the way that our house works.


09;39;55;21 - 09;39;55;11

Jon

Mm hmm.


09;39;55;04 - 09;39;43;25

Lindsey

So you don't cook fantastically. So there's that. But they see me cooking primarily. So I don't want to give them this perception that only women can cook.


09;39;43;21 - 09;39;43;11

Jon

Well, I mean.


09;39;43;10 - 09;39;40;22

Lindsey

You know, so like, that's kind of that aspect of.


09;39;40;22 - 09;39;25;25

Jon

It. Let me touch on that real quick because I just threw off like we've thrown off quite a few hand grenades in this conversation. So just to be like throughout the conversation. So just to be very clear, last night I had such a heart of gratitude because you had made this amazing, wholesome dinner for us.


09;39;25;25 - 09;39;09;07

Jon

You had made homemade biscuits in pie, and I was like, This is just, I'm in heaven. I'm in heaven on Earth because we have this family situation around the table where we're all talking and sharing about our days in a warm house with food on the table like we are so infinitely wealthy in good health.


09;39;08;29 - 09;39;07;14

Jon

Like what a blessing, right?


09;39;07;13 - 09;39;06;09

Lindsey

It was an amazing evening.


09;39;06;08 - 09;38;59;29

Jon

And in that gratitude, I told my sons, You know, our sons, boys, you need to learn to cook exactly like this.


09;38;59;18 - 09;38;58;23

Lindsey

Yeah. So you can cook.


09;38;58;23 - 09;38;43;28

Jon

Well so that you can cook well. And then also so that you have a good standard for when you're looking for a partner in life, right? When you're looking for your mate. Because we do have this really fun mentality on our marriage, it's like one day they can't figure out how to do this for themselves first.


09;38;43;24 - 09;38;31;15

Jon

Yeah. And then to that also helps you to set the expectation, the standard of what you want in your life and these different things. And who knows how the roles will play out, right? Who cares, right? Maybe they will be the primary cookers that doesn't matter.


09;38;31;08 - 09;38;25;04

Jon

What matters is we want to teach these competencies so that they can then use logic to create the situations that makes sense for them in their lives.


09;38;24;15 - 09;38;15;03

Lindsey

And that's a lot of fun. I was raised to I have a lot of skills that would probably be classified as more of a man's skill.


09;38;15;02 - 09;38;13;19

Jon

You're the sports person in the family.


09;38;13;18 - 09;37;57;02

Lindsey

I am the sports person in the family. But I've also built a log cabin with my family. And so that comes, that's construction. You know, so there's those types of things, and there's just a lot that I've learned that I was taught.


09;37;57;02 - 09;37;43;22

Lindsey

I had endless open opportunity. And I think that when you get to dabble in all of it, you can you decide you? Yeah, you decide what you do, like what you don't really like, but it's at least like, Hey, I have the baseline knowledge.


09;37;43;22 - 09;37;37;01

Lindsey

I at least tried this. I didn't write it off to be like, Oh, well, that's just what a girl does, or, Oh, that's just what a guy does and then leave it at that.


09;37;36;29 - 09;37;24;12

Jon

Well, I've thank to your father every time I've seen him about, especially since we don't see him as often for how he raised you. And the fact that he had you do the cabin stuff and the fact that he raised YouTube, this incredibly competent human being, right?


09;37;24;12 - 09;37;14;19

Jon

And you know, we need to have him on the show. So shout out to Jeff Field, you're coming on the show and we're Disney has set it up. So probably in the next couple of weeks since we'll be seeing you in person.


09;37;14;04 - 09;37;11;07

Jon

We'll try and get that in. Yeah, we'll just bring.


09;37;11;07 - 09;37;10;07

Lindsey

Everything, all the equipment.


09;37;10;06 - 09;37;08;00

Jon

We're going to ambush you in your own house to get a show with you.


09;37;08;00 - 09;37;04;01

Lindsey

So we won't know it because. Yeah, well, I won't know unless you listen to this episode.


09;37;03;29 - 09;36;44;06

Jon

Yeah. So this is fun. But talk about this holistic picture of just being very intentional about raising a generation of human beings that make the world a better place, right? Yeah. And that's the proceed here. And then just looking at this conversation, just thinking through what we had, I don't think there's a hot topic that we didn't


09;36;44;06 - 09;36;42;01

Jon

touch on. Wow, we if you.


09;36;41;29 - 09;36;38;04

Lindsey

Need clarity, please reach out to us. Yeah.


09;36;37;23 - 09;36;36;09

Jon

You're in a way.


09;36;35;16 - 09;36;10;11

Lindsey

We're not trying to be divisive. This is more of like unity. Yeah, we were just trying to share what our family is doing. We are trying to raise well-rounded individuals who have a lot a broad scope of skill sets so that they can move into any avenue that they would like to without feeling like they're at a


09;36;10;11 - 09;36;09;21

Lindsey

deficit.


09;36;09;02 - 09;35;56;27

Jon

Correct, or at least that they have the tools to overcome said deficit. If that's the case. And and that's where this is an exploration, right? It comes back to you. I was just singing about this. When you when you want to build trust with someone, you have to have skin in the game you have to make.


09;35;56;25 - 09;35;40;04

Jon

You're so vulnerable. If there's a trust in an you, I think it's helpful to lead with vulnerability. To inspire trust from the other person. Right. And that's what we're doing in these conversations. Hey, here's thoughts. Here's that here's some of it's a taboo.


09;35;40;04 - 09;35;23;25

Jon

You're not supposed to say this, but it's a fair statement. And that's where we're sharing these things. And the question absolutely is, please reach out. If you have a question, you want us to explore further or explain a point that we've made with greater detail.


09;35;23;25 - 09;35;07;28

Jon

And, you know, back to the ask at the beginning of the show. If this conversation has inspired you, encouraged you, challenged the way you think, anything that you felt that has happened to make you feel like there's value added.


09;35;07;24 - 09;35;03;25

Jon

Please share it. Please subscribe. And let's continue the journey together.

 

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