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28. Heart of an Olympian _ Ruben Gonzalez _ Part 1

Updated: Nov 15, 2021


 

Today we sit down with the indomitable Ruben Gonzalez who is a 4 time Olympian, a professional speaker, and best selling author of 5 books. Ruben is an unstoppable GRIT TRAIN and todays conversations is both humorous and informative. Highlights include: - Broken bones - Crash your way to the top. - From hero to zero and back again. - Speaking to an audience is like talking to one giant person. - Always take the scariest route. - Success is a decision. To learn more about Ruben Gonzalez check out his website: https://ruben-gonzalez.com/ Did you find value in today’s conversation? SHARE IT!

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08;06;39;24 - 08;06;21;15

Aaron

Ruben Gonzales is a not one, not two, not three, but four time winter Olympian of an 88 Calgary 92. Albert Ver, Albertville, France two, Salt Lake City, Utah and of course, in ten Vancouver, Canada. So that's pretty incredible.


08;06;21;15 - 08;06;16;01

Aaron

We have a four time Olympian over four decades, which is a is that world record.


08;06;14;24 - 08;06;10;10

Ruben

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was the first one to do it. You're the one who else did it right after me, but I'm the first.


08;06;10;10 - 08;06;05;25

Aaron

one, the first one to do that record. That's that's excellent. Well, welcome, Ruben. How are you doing this.


08;06;05;25 - 08;06;03;07

Ruben

Morning doing great? It's uh, it's it's great to be here.


08;06;03;03 - 08;06;02;12

Ruben

Yeah.


08;06;02;03 - 08;05;49;28

Aaron

Well, it's kind of a treat. I don't know that I've sat down with an Olympian on air. We've chatted before, but you have become just an inspiration to so many people. I'm just glad to get get this message out.


08;05;49;13 - 08;05;41;29

Aaron

You do also professional speaking and you're also on track right now trying to get to your fifth.


08;05;41;23 - 08;05;37;08

Ruben

That's uh, yeah, praying for lots of lots of money to come in the next few weeks.


08;05;36;19 - 08;05;34;26

Aaron

It's not. It's not cheap being Olympian.


08;05;34;26 - 08;05;17;23

Ruben

You got it's kind of fun. I was just thinking, I've never thought about this before, but most sports you train and let's say 100 meters, right? Every country can send three guys maximum, but they have to beat a certain international speed right time.


08;05;17;15 - 08;05;05;23

Ruben

And in the top three, Americans go to Eugene, Oregon. They race and they go, Well, we have to go all over the world and race like the Formula one, right? Just pick your Formula one. You go to different countries, right?


08;05;05;20 - 08;05;00;07

Ruben

And we're trying to get our qualification points that way. So. So yeah, we're I'm stuck with a very expensive sport.


08;04;59;24 - 08;04;59;15

Ruben

You know?


08;04;57;23 - 08;04;54;04

Jon

So over the last four decades, you have represented Argentina.


08;04;54;00 - 08;04;52;28

Ruben

Argentina, yes.


08;04;52;23 - 08;04;45;15

Jon

Awesome. And you're not satisfied with the world record you set. You want to go as Aron touched four, five, five or five.


08;04;45;08 - 08;04;33;09

Ruben

Yeah, yeah. And have all these silly reasons. Yeah. You know, I always thought that three time Olympian had a nice ring to it. And then for like, it's kind of like flowers, you know, you got to have that.


08;04;33;01 - 08;04;24;07

Ruben

The flower bunch has to have odd number. Yeah. And so five, 55 Olympic rings, five Olympics, it's a I'm not going for six because I don't mess it up again.


08;04;22;24 - 08;04;12;23

Aaron

I think we find our competitors or people that have found thresholds that they've been able to beat. I guess you kind of suspicious, like, Hey, I wonder if I could. What if is this possible?


08;04;12;22 - 08;04;10;26

Ruben

Yeah, what if we're not right? Why not me?


08;04;10;25 - 08;04;10;13

Ruben

Right?


08;04;10;03 - 08;04;02;09

Ruben

So that question that gets your mind, your subconscious mind thinking about possibilities, right? And you know, why not me? Why not you?


08;04;02;08 - 08;04;01;20

Ruben

Right, right?


08;04;01;16 - 08;03;54;25

Ruben

And so now you you wake up in the middle of the night with some great ideas and and there you go. You start making it.


08;03;54;11 - 08;03;41;27

Jon

Yeah. So, so your journey with the Olympics is definitely a huge part of your story. And I don't think we've mentioned. So I'm just going to ask, will you explain what sport you've competed in and what that looks like?


08;03;41;26 - 08;03;41;17

Jon

Sure.


08;03;41;08 - 08;03;28;06

Ruben

I do. The luge, the the luge, if you've seen cool runnings and I would do that later. Have you seen cool runnings of Jamaican bobsled? Yeah, we go down the same track, a little bit slow. We're laying our back.


08;03;27;27 - 08;03;13;21

Ruben

I'll show you a picture, but this picture has another purpose. But see, that's a guy laying on a luge. All right, so I'll go ahead and tell you the story. When I decided I wanted to do the luge, I didn't you know who the track was.


08;03;13;20 - 08;02;58;29

Ruben

I live in Houston, Texas. I was 21 years old. I'm not a great athlete. I'm always the last kid big for me, but I got a lot of heart and I don't quit. Very tenacious, right? So I thought, I've got to find a sport that has a lot of broken bones, maybe a lot of quitters, and I


08;02;58;29 - 08;02;45;04

Ruben

won't quit, right? That's my tenacity. Is my superpower, right? Well, with that right? And so I headed down the ski jump bobsled and luge I lived in Houston. Never skied. Forget ski jump that suicide bobsled, where you can find three other nuts in Houston.


08;02;45;02 - 08;02;44;05

Ruben

I got to go to Jamaica.


08;02;42;17 - 08;02;42;11

Ruben

And.


08;02;42;11 - 08;02;29;20

Ruben

Then luge. I'll be by myself. I've never even seen it on TV. I just thought I looked pretty tough. I called a roach. Sports Illustrated a letter. I said, Where are you going to learn how to luge? Because I didn't know the track was.


08;02;29;16 - 08;02;27;28

Ruben

They wrote back and they sent me this picture.


08;02;27;21 - 08;02;27;12

Ruben

All right.


08;02;26;24 - 08;02;24;19

Ruben

There's a copy of the originals in my office.


08;02;24;18 - 08;02;24;11

Ruben

All right.


08;02;24;04 - 08;02;14;23

Ruben

As soon as I got this picture, it went on the wall. I put it, I put it in a frame. I put it ran from my bed. And the first person I saw in the morning when I woke up was the luge man, right?


08;02;14;19 - 08;02;13;28

Ruben

That's what I call them.


08;02;13;22 - 08;02;12;14

Ruben

And I said, I.


08;02;12;05 - 08;02;03;01

Ruben

You know, he reminded me, I got a train. Got it right. Hang around winners. Read good books. You know, it's the mental side. And at night before I shut off the lights, last person I saw was the luge man, right?


08;02;02;25 - 08;01;53;28

Ruben

And so you think I dreamt about it night, right? No, I didn't even know this. This guy was my hero. He helped me get to the Olympics because he kept, you know, keep the dream in front of you, right?


08;01;53;21 - 08;01;48;19

Ruben

So you don't life happens, right? six months go by. Year goes by a year and a half.


08;01;48;10 - 08;01;47;18

Ruben

Oh yeah.


08;01;47;08 - 08;01;40;18

Ruben

I forgot I was training for the Olympics. I just blew a year and a half and actually happens, right? You get, you know, you caught up with the daily stuff.


08;01;39;17 - 08;01;23;16

Aaron

And Ruben, I should mention too, that you chose this specifically because your superpowers, grit and you, it's like, OK, so I'm not the strongest, fastest, whatever, but I know how not to quit. And so you leveraged your that that was that was a thing you knew you were good at.


08;01;23;16 - 08;01;16;23

Aaron

So it's like, OK, let me go with that. So when you picked this sport, it was this is the highest failure rate, right? Or among the.


08;01;16;23 - 08;01;15;04

Ruben

Highest? Yeah, way up there, right?


08;01;15;04 - 08;01;13;06

Aaron

Yeah. So so you're like, OK, so.


08;01;13;03 - 08;01;12;09

Ruben

This fits me.


08;01;12;09 - 08;01;11;04

Aaron

The thing, the thing that.


08;01;11;04 - 08;01;10;24

Ruben

People.


08;01;10;24 - 08;01;07;05

Aaron

Most quitter is the thing I should go to. Yeah, because I won't quit.


08;01;07;05 - 08;01;03;26

Ruben

I reverse engineered it, right? You base your plan on your strengths.


08;01;03;15 - 08;01;03;03

Ruben

No, not.


08;01;03;03 - 08;00;53;14

Ruben

Now that I know better. This guy's a he's a beginner. His head's way up. That's an air brake right there, OK? His feet are way. You know, he ain't pointing his feet. Look at a suit. It's all rigged up.


08;00;53;00 - 08;00;50;29

Ruben

This 1000 crashes, right?


08;00;50;22 - 08;00;49;22

Ruben

But he.


08;00;49;22 - 08;00;38;14

Ruben

Helped me. He helped me get to the Olympics, right? That's awesome there, too. You know, finding inspiration, you know, run with it, right? So in the luge, you go 80, 90 miles an hour, you're lying on your back.


08;00;38;14 - 08;00;34;11

Ruben

You're wearing, you know, basically a spandex suit and a helmet, a helmet.


08;00;34;11 - 08;00;31;29

Aaron

No knee pads. No, no, nobody armor.


08;00;31;29 - 08;00;26;05

Ruben

No, no, no body armor, nothing, you know, and the helmet helmet is just for decoration.


08;00;26;05 - 08;00;24;22

Aaron

I just think that it would discuss.


08;00;23;13 - 08;00;12;01

Jon

What did you hear his criteria? I need something with a lot of broken bones that a lot of people quit at so that I, despite losing out a lot, can just out like outlast them. I'm not going to quit, I'm not going anywhere.


08;00;12;01 - 08;00;09;19

Jon

I'm going to be indomitable. And therefore then you have.


08;00;09;16 - 09;59;57;18

Ruben

Yeah, they didn't have body armor back in, back in the day. And wow, you're pulling up to six years on some of the curves. No seatbelt, nothing right? And people think that all you do is hold on and pray.


09;59;57;08 - 09;59;52;27

Ruben

And yeah, you hold on and you pray. It's very good for your prayer life, OK?


09;59;51;22 - 09;59;51;01

Ruben

But you also.


09;59;51;01 - 09;59;37;15

Ruben

Steer a lot. You're making hundreds of tiny corrections a the they don't have the perfect line down the track. It doesn't take much. It's very responsive. OK, if I'm on a straight away and I just push my shoulder down just a little bit pressing down on the sled.


09;59;37;07 - 09;59;35;17

Ruben

It talks it right. You're talking the.


09;59;35;17 - 09;59;35;04

Ruben

Sled.


09;59;34;16 - 09;59;22;02

Ruben

There's only the steels. The steel runners are about four feet long, but there's only about four inches. They're touching the ice because it's arched. You're laying on a skate, right? And you're talking it. So that's touching in different places.


09;59;21;27 - 09;59;06;28

Ruben

If I touch you over my shoulder, you go from one side of the straightaway to the other. If I pull my handle, which is drives my shoulder down, it's a medium steer of apply force to my feet, my legs, which is the only thing I ever talk about on TV interviews as like doing this with a car


09;59;06;28 - 09;59;06;01

Ruben

that's for emergencies.


09;59;05;08 - 09;59;04;28

Ruben

You right?


09;59;04;21 - 09;58;56;27

Ruben

If you hiccup, if you hiccup, that's enough of motion, cause you have slam against won't crash. I mean, you're going to have a little hiccup.


09;58;56;27 - 09;58;55;25

Aaron

Not so mental hiccups.


09;58;55;23 - 09;58;44;07

Ruben

That that's that'll get you into trouble. Yeah, wow. Yeah, you're real. You're trying to be relaxed and and so you can be smooth riding and have a fast reaction time. So it's very mental, very, very minute.


09;58;44;03 - 09;58;29;06

Jon

Or what I'm thinking about right now is like, this is not a sport for the risk averse, right? No, this is a sport for the risk conditioned right. Someone who's become conditioned to accept and tolerate the risk. Yeah, because you have to be calm in.


09;58;28;29 - 09;58;22;13

Jon

I mean, I'm just thinking about what you're talking about. It's like you hiccup. You have this slight thing. You're going 90 miles an hour in spandex.


09;58;20;13 - 09;58;20;07

Ruben

Right?


09;58;19;13 - 09;58;06;01

Jon

Like if if you hiccup or get a leg twitch or something, there's not. What is the. When someone crashes at 90 on a leash, it because they slide. Do they typically survive or is it kind of a bad?


09;58;06;00 - 09;58;00;08

Ruben

Yeah, it's got to. It's not as bad as it looks. OK, I would rather my kids do luge than football anytime.


09;58;00;04 - 09;57;59;24

Ruben

Right?


09;57;58;16 - 09;57;48;18

Ruben

A lot of feet injuries, right? Because that's what usually hits the walls up front. A lot of ankle breaks and things like that. But you know, you're not really hitting your head only hit my head a couple of times over the years.


09;57;47;16 - 09;57;36;00

Ruben

Kind of like in martial arts, you learn how to fall, you know, you learn what to do and you'll get ice burns, too, because you get off, fall off a sled and the friction goes right, right? Right. Yeah, that's right.


09;57;36;00 - 09;57;35;22

Ruben

Right?


09;57;35;08 - 09;57;24;25

Ruben

And a lot of lower back injuries, because the start is basically a deadlift sitting on the sled, you're dead, lifting yourself horizontally. So a lot of disc injuries for the older guys.


09;57;24;25 - 09;57;24;03

Ruben

Luckily, I've been.


09;57;23;16 - 09;57;09;16

Ruben

You know, spared that. And so, um, but yeah, over the years, I've broken my foot twice. My knee, my elbow, my hand, my thumb, a couple of ribs. But you know, you get to the point. I reframed it.


09;57;09;10 - 09;56;56;22

Ruben

I, before I wrote Sports Illustrated, sent me that letter. I call Lake Placid. I go, I'm an athlete here in Houston on learn how to lose some in the Olympics and four years. Will you help me? And the guy goes, How old are you at 21?


09;56;56;21 - 09;56;46;04

Ruben

He started laughing, Right? You forget it, man. You're too old. You know, we started when you're eight years old. By now, you have ten years experience. No way I knew hang ups forms. Not an option, right? I hang up forms all over.


09;56;45;13 - 09;56;32;21

Ruben

So I just just try to keep him on the phone, you know, conversation. So I could think of something and I happened to tell him I was born in Argentina. I was more. Argentina came to the states when I was six and, you know, we just ended up staying here.


09;56;32;21 - 09;56;24;05

Ruben

Yeah, I just happened to say that. And the guy gets all excited. He goes to Argentina. If you'll go for Argentina, we'll help you as a white man or go, you're going to help me at all.


09;56;24;05 - 09;56;23;24

Jon

Yeah.


09;56;23;16 - 09;56;09;20

Ruben

It is. World sport of luge. Is this close to getting kicked out of the Olympics? We're not global enough, OK? European countries, U.S., Canada, that's it. And so we're recruiting. You know, if you're going for Argentina, we'll train you.


09;56;09;20 - 09;55;59;14

Ruben

You'll travel with us. We'll even lend you a sled the first year. Eventually, go get your own gear. But we're going to have to compress ten years of training into just two years. You're going to get hurt a lot.


09;55;59;14 - 09;55;55;02

Ruben

OK, you're cramming. I'm thinking, man, I've been crying for tests all my life. That's really.


09;55;54;29 - 09;55;54;11

Ruben

What.


09;55;52;06 - 09;55;41;27

Ruben

We need to do that because the last two years, you'll be competing in the World Cup circuit against best in the world. Get these walk up points, World Cup ranking and Top 50 back then get to go 51, watch on TV.


09;55;41;16 - 09;55;35;15

Ruben

And so he says, So we go for Argentina because you be a whole new continent. Oh, I'm a continent.


09;55;34;28 - 09;55;34;19

Ruben

Yeah.


09;55;33;28 - 09;55;29;12

Ruben

Well, you go. I don't want anybody, man, either. For Pakistan, I don't.


09;55;29;09 - 09;55;28;16

Ruben

Want a rugby.


09;55;25;23 - 09;55;14;23

Ruben

So I went and it was brutal. And he told me, You're going to break some bones if you try to talk me out of it. And I'm glad he did because it allowed me to put on mental armor made me realize this can be tough, right?


09;55;14;14 - 09;55;10;17

Ruben

So I started thinking, OK, well, what would I do if I break a bone? He says it's inevitable.


09;55;10;05 - 09;55;09;24

Ruben

Well.


09;55;09;15 - 09;54;56;23

Ruben

I've broken bones before you know you put on a to you six weeks later, healed up and stronger than before. So we really think about it. It's a temporary inconvenience, right? So that was a broken bone was going to be a temporary inconvenience for me.


09;54;56;08 - 09;54;41;25

Ruben

So it put me in a class with 15 guys. A couple of months after I called them, they were going to have a camp on wheels down the old bobsled track. 55 miles an hour on concrete wearing tennis shoes, shorts and a T-shirt and a helmet.


09;54;41;24 - 09;54;31;29

Ruben

They call it the weeding out process and the sports league. And the other guys are quitting. I mean, every day is a couple less guys showing up, and I couldn't believe it. By the end of the first year.


09;54;31;29 - 09;54;14;13

Ruben

I'm the only one left out of our group and I thought they were quitting because they got a bruise, right? And I just couldn't understand it. And four years later, when I actually made it, you know, you walk into the opening ceremony, you feel so happy, so proud.


09;54;14;13 - 09;54;08;23

Ruben

But at the same time, I felt sad for a couple of these guys who become my friends. I'm thinking, Wow, what do they feel like today?


09;54;08;21 - 09;54;08;05

Ruben

You know.


09;54;07;26 - 09;54;01;07

Ruben

I mean, they're watch it on TV, but it hurts so much. You're going to change channels or we can't watch the Olympics. Russia lives.


09;54;00;25 - 09;54;00;14

Ruben

And on.


09;54;00;14 - 09;53;57;01

Ruben

Their deathbed, they'll be thinking, What if, what am I hadn't quit.


09;53;56;27 - 09;53;56;19

Ruben

Right?


09;53;56;03 - 09;53;41;07

Ruben

And I paid a huge price. Yeah. And but what about number 51? He did everything, coach said. Broke bones kept coming back, maxed out his credit cards, traveling all over the world, and he missed it by a 10th of a 10th of a second in the last race.


09;53;40;17 - 09;53;28;21

Ruben

Well, that guy feels feel sick inside. Well, when he's shaving in the morning, look at himself in there. He can stand straighter than before because he had to dig so deep just to put himself through that that he found gifts.


09;53;28;18 - 09;53;22;08

Ruben

He, you know, he had and now he's a better person for having put himself through that. Either way, way, either way, you win.


09;53;22;03 - 09;53;20;24

Jon

As long as you put it all out.


09;53;20;22 - 09;53;14;01

Ruben

Give it all. Yeah. There's no regrets. If I had a tattoo, I don't have any. What if I did it? Probably. No regrets.


09;53;13;28 - 09;53;10;10

Jon

Would you spell it, regrets or regrets? So it's like misspelled, sir.


09;53;09;19 - 09;53;08;02

Ruben

That's right. You could go at the bar.


09;53;06;24 - 09;53;05;08

Jon

No regrets, really. Not even one letter.


09;53;02;18 - 09;52;52;27

Aaron

So it's a you're you're saying it. Even in the failures and mistakes, the broken bones, those are all just part of the the process of of learning what's really in you?


09;52;52;24 - 09;52;35;18

Ruben

Amen. Yeah. And when you make a mistake, they train us. They call it when they call it feast or feast and forget. It's just something that I heard along the way, some coach said. So if you have a good run rate, the end of performance in a performance can be, you know, if you're listening to this and


09;52;35;18 - 09;52;24;26

Ruben

you're in sales, for example, write a performance could be a sales call or could be a follow up, write what could be a demonstration, write or a speech. It's something that gets you closer to the goal, right? It could be a golf shot.


09;52;24;19 - 09;52;22;11

Ruben

It could be a tennis shot. It could be a lose run.


09;52;22;10 - 09;52;21;12

Ruben

Right? So at the.


09;52;21;12 - 09;52;05;26

Ruben

End of the performance, there's three options. It was great. It was OK or it needs work. It didn't suck. It's not awful, you're not an idiot, you're not a loser, and it just needs work. The performance needs work, and so you probably know what you messed up or coach will help you.


09;52;05;06 - 09;51;55;09

Ruben

And so when you have that bad performance, don't waste it, right? You don't waste it. You extract the lesson and then you forget it because you don't want that sitting in your subconscious, though, than that performance.


09;51;55;05 - 09;51;50;15

Jon

So what you're talking about there is embracing the failure for what it can teach, but not for the shame that it can bring.


09;51;49;27 - 09;51;49;10

Ruben

Is that fair?


09;51;48;17 - 09;51;47;14

Ruben

I wish I could speak like you.


09;51;46;01 - 09;51;33;04

Jon

It's the benefit of and I get to listen in a I'm in love right now because the conversation super fun. You're basically like a self driven grit train right now. You're just running with the type of extreme personal ownership growth mindset.


09;51;32;12 - 09;51;24;13

Jon

I'm going to improve and live this life intentionally, and I don't care if I get knocked out. I'm coming and coming and coming again that I'm in love with. So this is fun.


09;51;24;03 - 09;51;10;04

Ruben

When I started going for the I did Calgary, Albertville and Salt Lake, and then I started speaking professionally. I used to sell copiers in Houston and this kid right before the Salt Lake City Olympics kid asked me to be his show and tell project in school when I came back.


09;51;09;06 - 09;50;57;23

Ruben

And believe it or not, I'm an introvert, OK? But I think now you're a liar. No, I'm an introvert. I just get excited when I was talking personal development or Olympics. It's like Clark Kent turns into Superman, usually Clark Kent.


09;50;57;21 - 09;50;56;02

Jon

So you get both right now because.


09;50;56;02 - 09;50;53;02

Ruben

You get Typekit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I'm a little excited.


09;50;52;11 - 09;50;51;14

Ruben

So, so.


09;50;51;02 - 09;50;35;18

Ruben

So I never took a speech class in my life. I mean, be a total waste because I'm an introvert. I mean, I'm a I feel if we're having dinner, three couples friends right now, we got six people. I turn it to the wallflower because that's my comfort zone.


09;50;34;18 - 09;50;24;14

Ruben

If it's one on one, like when we had coffee, you know, piece of cake for me, that's my comfort zone. Yeah, right? So this kid asked me to be his Shontell project in school. I thought, Sure, why not write?


09;50;24;14 - 09;50;13;01

Ruben

I picture 20 kids in a classroom right back in, you know, the old days and show and tell everybody is going to show something today. So I'm in there in and out in five minutes. I brought the Olympic torch, which I got here.


09;50;13;01 - 09;50;10;06

Ruben

I was of torchbearer for the Salt Lake City Olympics. I got.


09;50;09;18 - 09;50;09;10

Ruben

A hold.


09;50;09;10 - 09;50;07;02

Aaron

On. Let's not skim over this. This this.


09;50;06;23 - 09;50;05;05

Ruben

We will come back to that. All right.


09;50;04;25 - 09;50;04;03

Jon

He's in charge.


09;50;04;03 - 09;50;01;04

Ruben

Yeah, OK. You really have no time.


09;50;01;02 - 09;49;58;02

Ruben

So that changes on my tangent or whatever.


09;49;57;23 - 09;49;56;18

Jon

We do want to talk about it.


09;49;56;17 - 09;49;54;29

Ruben

It's cool. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. We go.


09;49;54;29 - 09;49;45;16

Ruben

For Miami. OK, I say that. Yeah, but professional speaker for 20 years. And I'll say that to the guys in the front row. I'll say, Look, guys, you're going to have to reel.


09;49;45;16 - 09;49;42;24

Ruben

Me in because otherwise.


09;49;42;19 - 09;49;41;28

Aaron

I'm on fire.


09;49;41;28 - 09;49;29;03

Ruben

Here. No telling man. Yeah. So I took the torch, I took the helmet, I took my sled. I thought, No prisoners, OK, I we'll get my gold medal. Finally, even if it's just Sean, tell me what my mindset I'm going to kill.


09;49;28;26 - 09;49;28;18

Ruben

Yeah.


09;49;28;09 - 09;49;27;17

Jon

Kids going to love it.


09;49;27;16 - 09;49;15;03

Ruben

fifth graders. Yeah, so I go to the school. The principal takes me to the cafeteria. They moved all the furniture and that's called the the auditorium, right? Mm hmm. And he he says, OK, you're on it. There's 200 kids sitting in the floor.


09;49;14;19 - 09;49;12;28

Ruben

He says, you got 45 minutes at Adobe.


09;49;12;06 - 09;49;11;15

Ruben

I thought, God.


09;49;11;01 - 09;49;04;07

Ruben

That door looks so inviting. I mean, I was ready to run. I said a little prayer. I asked, God, what do I do now, right?


09;49;03;20 - 09;49;02;08

Ruben

My prayer? I didn't.


09;49;02;07 - 09;49;01;18

Ruben

Forget to say Im.


09;49;01;18 - 09;49;00;06

Ruben

In was.


09;48;59;29 - 09;48;58;04

Aaron

An eloquent, just no real.


09;48;57;22 - 09;48;56;17

Ruben

Way. Right?


09;48;56;13 - 09;48;44;10

Ruben

What do I do? And what I felt I needed to do is just tell him your story and give us some pointers to help them reach their dreams. And I did. And afterwards, the teachers they. They surrounded me to go, what are we going to do?


09;48;43;29 - 09;48;28;23

Ruben

You know, to up to it, you stick around or there are all pull the fourth graders out of class and said, Hey, bring them on. That was actually fun. second time around was, you know, better. And I realized that the dynamic of a bunch of people, it's like one big fat person.


09;48;28;20 - 09;48;27;01

Ruben

That's it. They're not talking back.


09;48;25;11 - 09;48;24;08

Ruben

So it's like going to run.


09;48;23;17 - 09;48;12;06

Ruben

I didn't know that. So we have all these mental blocks in our brain that keep holding us back. All these fears of fear or fear of failure, fear the unknown. All this stuff is holding us back. But nine times out of ten of you face your fear.


09;48;12;06 - 09;47;58;19

Ruben

You realize it's just a smokescreen. So, so I did that. And then I and I started losing and losing again for for Vancouver. And I have no idea why I told you that story ahead. There was a reason.


09;47;58;18 - 09;47;58;09

Aaron

Show and.


09;47;58;09 - 09;47;56;22

Ruben

Tell. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.


09;47;56;22 - 09;47;55;06

Ruben

No, it wasn't. Tell it.


09;47;54;24 - 09;47;42;28

Aaron

But it was. You said, just just to back up a second. You're saying that these little things that you do, they get you closer to the goal, right? There's this feaster and forget kind of thing. And it is it is uncomfortable in the moment.


09;47;42;19 - 09;47;35;00

Aaron

And even even attempting to run away from it. But it's absolutely important that you walk forward into it, otherwise you'll go no further down the path. Yeah.


09;47;35;00 - 09;47;23;07

Ruben

Lean into lean into that fear. Yeah. I mean, if you're a ten storey building and you're afraid because you're on the edge, don't lean into that one. Be smart. But but you know, yeah, that's why I mentor some important cultural mentor.


09;47;23;07 - 09;47;13;18

Ruben

Somebody you know, shows you. I always look for somebody who's done what I want to do, right? Somebody has done it. Not somebody who wrote ten books about it, but never did it. Right? Yeah. So I done it.


09;47;13;04 - 09;47;07;20

Ruben

It's always been that minefield. Ryan knows how to cross it. And and you know, that's the key.


09;47;07;14 - 09;47;05;29

Jon

A practitioner, not a theorist.


09;47;05;26 - 09;47;05;00

Ruben

There you go. Yeah.


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Aaron

We'