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27. War on Lies & Despair



 

Today we stake claim to new territory and engage the problems that are surrounding all of us head on. This conversation is raw, real, and just the beginning. Highlights include: -Our neighbors are not our enemies. -United we stand, tired of division. -The buck stops here. -Pursuing greatness. -Waging war on division, victimhood, lies and despair. -Inspiring hope, grit and courage. -Encouraging others to take ownership of themselves and press in. -Grit Theory as a source for unity, strength, freedom and truth. Did you find value in today’s conversation? SHARE IT!

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08;06;39;21 - 08;06;20;13

Aaron

Well, good morning. Grit Theory, I hope you're ready for this one night. I'm kind of afraid to record right now, Jon, because when you get all amped up and you just let it let let it fly, I mean, with wisdom, you know, we're trying to we know, just like, say, whatever, but when you're fired up, things start


08;06;20;13 - 08;06;04;28

Aaron

coming out. And I think this episode is going to be a little bit a little grittier than than the typical fare that we have. Jon, you and I had a discussion the other day has been culminating, you know, with texts and videos and and pieces like, Oh, what about this?


08;06;04;28 - 08;05;59;09

Aaron

What about this? And we just have to share it. So I'm going to pitch it over to you. What are we talking about today?


08;05;58;17 - 08;05;57;14

Jon

Goodness, I wish we knew.


08;05;56;27 - 08;05;56;22

Jon

Well.


08;05;55;09 - 08;05;42;11

Jon

I so wish we knew. You know, before we jump in, if you don't mind what one thing that I think we owe to ourselves and or those who have been faithful and listening with us over the last couple of months is are the shows not free?


08;05;42;06 - 08;05;27;28

Jon

Right? You and I work hard and we sacrifice a lot of time into it. I agree. But we're doing it free of cost and we only support like give shout outs to those we love. So if you get any encouragement from our conversations, if you get any motivation from any of them, please pay forward.


08;05;27;19 - 08;05;25;08

Jon

Right? Sure. Paid for it. I agree. Agreed.


08;05;24;21 - 08;05;09;01

Aaron

Yeah. And I think anytime you get something good, you really just being selfish if you're keeping to yourself anyway. So that really helps us out. But but also it helps. And the really the mission of what we're doing is that we're trying to allow other people to be included in this conversation.


08;05;09;01 - 08;04;54;22

Aaron

So not just they could hear it, but also they can grow from it. So share it for it. Someone will thank you for sharing it. But OK, so let me just frame it this way. So we have what I think.


08;04;54;22 - 08;04;38;01

Aaron

What we're really talking about today is less topical and more of attacking sort of a symptom that we've we've seen in this sort of unrest. You know, when you have unrest in your heart, it's because it's pointing to something you need to pay attention to.


08;04;37;05 - 08;04;24;06

Aaron

And you can ignore it if you want, but it's going to it's going to manifest itself. It's going to it's going to be heard. And, you know, we could we find all kinds of distractions to try to keep that unrest at bay.


08;04;24;06 - 08;04;10;08

Aaron

But at some point you got to stop, turn around and look at your pursuer and say, OK, what do you want? What do you want? What's what's? What do I need to be paying my my mind's eyes attention to right now?


08;04;10;05 - 08;03;59;18

Aaron

Mm hmm. And it's good. It's like an agitation. It's a it's a discomfort that allows you to start looking at the thing. And so you've been in kind of a week of unrest.


08;03;58;15 - 08;03;40;01

Jon

I mean, I've been in a lifetime of unrest. Seriously, though. But it's been coming to a head. Yeah, more and more. And you know. Earlier this week, I threw something out on the Insta of Graham registers like, hey, like, you're.


08;03;40;01 - 08;03;39;15

Aaron

So hip.


08;03;39;15 - 08;03;39;01

Jon

And thank.


08;03;39;01 - 08;03;38;09

Aaron

You for things like that.


08;03;37;14 - 08;03;36;16

Jon

That's what it's called, right?


08;03;35;02 - 08;03;34;06

Jon

It's I mean.


08;03;33;19 - 08;03;32;07

Aaron

Let's don't fact check. All right.


08;03;31;19 - 08;03;23;06

Jon

I'm going to stop tiptoeing. I'm just going to jump in. We'll see where this goes. It's an exploration, right? God, I wish it was pre-scripted because it'd be easy to read, but I don't really know where we're going to go.


08;03;22;26 - 08;03;12;27

Jon

But but there's some things I'm not going to be quiet on anymore. And that's the bottom line. And we talked before because I was like, Hey, buddy, I want to make sure that you know where I want to go on this and you're not blindsided and you're like, Let's freaking go.


08;03;12;27 - 08;02;49;19

Jon

So here we are, right? The bottom line is, and I think, the real heart of it, the core of it is our neighbor is not our enemy. Bottom line. And right now, we live in a time where. Everywhere you look, we're being told that we should hate our neighbor, right, that our fellow countrymen is the problem, right


08;02;49;08 - 08;02;26;07

Jon

? Whether it's the antifa garbage, whether it's the left versus right versus race versus, you know, whatever your sexual preference is, all of the, you know, vaccinated, unvaccinated, all of these things are being used to sow dissension and division and hate among our communities.


08;02;26;02 - 08;02;06;04

Jon

Yeah, right. And it's even tearing homes apart. And it's a lie. You know, a lot of these things can be important, but it's not the core things that we need to focus on. And you know, the bottom line is our neighbors, our friend, right united, we can stand.


08;02;05;13 - 08;01;48;06

Jon

Our country's been based off of unity since its creation, and that is where the Constitution and the Bill of Rights comes in, right? They've not been perfectly played out, but the gift of them in the foundation of the land that we live in is the ability to pursue.


08;01;47;00 - 08;01;31;05

Jon

The fulfillment of what that foundation is allowing us. Yeah, right. And it's a privilege to be able to sit and have a conversation like this and to fight and to risk offending some people to speak the truth in the pursuit of good.


08;01;31;02 - 08;01;06;20

Jon

Agreed. And you know, so I'm just I'm so tired of the division that I desperately desire to live my life in such a way that is that I am. A force for unity, for truth, for freedom and for strength.


08;01;06;14 - 08;01;06;03

Jon

Yes.


08;01;05;25 - 08;00;51;27

Aaron

Agreed. That's and we talk. I think a lot of what we've been talking about is the the narratives right now have really been focusing on the negative, like what we don't want or what we hate or what we what we think is an enemy in society.


08;00;51;27 - 08;00;35;11

Aaron

But people aren't really talking about what is good, like, what are we pursuing? Yeah. That, I think, is the conversation that really needs to happen in these, these endless debates. And I listen to them because because I really, honestly, I really want to understand like if if I seem to be leaning on one side of the issue


08;00;35;11 - 08;00;20;21

Aaron

, then I'll listen to the other side because I just feel like people believe what they. I'd like to think that people honestly believe what if they're going to be so emphatic about it, OK? And even if it's a lie, they, you know, they believe in that way completely.


08;00;20;09 - 08;00;03;26

Aaron

But. I I don't hear. OK, I get it, you're mad about this, and when people are mad about something, don't you kind of tune out like I? I heard a joke once that a bumper stickers are the worst way to make friends.


08;00;03;15 - 09;59;51;11

Aaron

You know, like, do you ever read a bumper sticker and go, Wow, that's someone I'd like to hang out with. Like that doesn't. Never, ever happens. Because really, they tend to be like, Here's my opinion, and it's greater than yours.


09;59;50;03 - 09;59;32;03

Aaron

And it's typically negative. Like, the stuff that I want to hear is, Hey, I'm fighting for a strong family. I'm I'm fighting for a country that's unified again, that that pursues the same ideals that once high moral good, that demands more of itself.


09;59;32;00 - 09;59;10;10

Aaron

It wants to grow and its mind and its heart and its and its creativity to serve man like a pursuit, a daily pursuit. That's about others, not self. These things, I think, contemporary all the negative things that we're saying, because when we start getting into the weeds about preference, then we're really what we're talking about is my


09;59;10;06 - 09;59;04;23

Aaron

personal ideals are more important than those are the whole. And that's what really concerns me right now in our nation.


09;59;04;21 - 09;58;48;12

Jon

Yeah, know what I think is born from us as human beings, we need an ideal to pursue. Period. Right? And if you look at the history of like our country as an example, it started with us fighting for independence, then fighting to coast to coast, right?


09;58;48;00 - 09;58;33;14

Jon

And then we have the world wars and in like, if you look at all the things, it's like, Oh, we were so united because we as a nation were fighting an enemy, right? Whether it was the frontier or, you know, World War two or what have you.


09;58;33;05 - 09;58;15;20

Jon

And that has served as our ideal for us nationally right now, where I think the mistake is and I've fallen to this is we're so starving for an ideal to pursue that we're willing to allow silly things to become our ideal that we're willing to fight over, right?


09;58;15;14 - 09;58;03;29

Jon

Opposed to something that's valuable enough to actually spend our energy on. You write like great examples. If you're if you are a Ford or Chevy person or Coke or Pepsi person, you allow that to become part of identity.


09;58;03;29 - 09;57;49;24

Jon

You're reaching for something right? Or then that can give it to you. And that's what we're seeing with with all these little points of division. You know, they're distractions that are keeping us from being able to actually focus on what is good.


09;57;49;18 - 09;57;34;16

Jon

Yeah, right. And I've thought a lot about why in the heck am I going to war with myself every single day? And why? Why can't I just work my day job, enjoy my family, enjoy the animals and rest, you know?


09;57;34;05 - 09;57;18;20

Jon

No, it's because. I feel like I've been preparing in trying to get ready for a situation that I didn't know would ever present itself. But but that's what it was like because all these people, you know, like if you're a professional athlete, you're preparing for your sport.


09;57;18;20 - 09;56;59;20

Jon

If you own a business, you're running your business, right? And I've been throwing myself in the forge, as we call it, upping the temperature, trying to get rid of the crappy parts of myself, trying to strengthen, you know, that which is of good character and integrity within myself become more mentally tough, physically capable for what you know


09;56;59;14 - 09;56;36;28

Jon

. And all I've been able to say is for preparation for an opportunity that I can't see yet and to potentially be a better example for my sons. And you know, frankly, I've lived a life. In the shadows. Feigning boldness in compartmentalized ways, and, you know, like starting young.


09;56;36;13 - 09;56;33;05

Aaron

So being bold, like choosing what you're Bolden.


09;56;32;23 - 09;56;17;10

Jon

Choosing what emboldens selective, right? Yeah. Like trying to be very socially aware, emotionally intelligent. I mean, parents got divorced and young. I moved between houses three times a week. Then every week, right? So I became there's a Jon with dad at dad's house, right?


09;56;17;09 - 09;56;05;01

Jon

There's a Jon at the mom's house, at the school, at church. And as life went on, right, then there's Army Jon and there is home Jon and their single Jon. There's all these frickin different versions of myself and I'm the same person.


09;56;05;01 - 09;55;52;02

Jon

I'm not having split personalities, but I knew I. It always felt like I'm looking through different masks. And over time, I'm realizing I'm burning the masks. I'm getting rid of things because I learned that helped me to survive and get what I want.


09;55;51;27 - 09;55;34;25

Jon

Yeah, but it was killing me, and that's kind of where these things have come to head because I finally came to the point of like, what is the ideal I'm truly pursuing? Why do I? Why do I care so desperately that on my deathbed, I can be the most evolved, high performing version of myself?


09;55;34;03 - 09;55;19;10

Jon

And I realized I have to become the best version, the greatest version of myself, because it is the least I can do for the free gift I've been given of salvation through my king agreed. And that's the bottom line.


09;55;18;28 - 09;55;02;07

Jon

And if I don't pursue that, it's from a heart of gratitude. I can't pay back the gift I've been giving, you know? But if I don't pursue that, I'm falling short of the potential of daily dying to myself so that I can live in my king.


09;55;02;05 - 09;54;44;04

Aaron

Yes, that's so that that's, I think, a rare, a rare pursuit right now, and we should temper this by saying this is extremely difficult. This isn't something like we're saying like, Oh yeah, you just die to yourself like this is this is like you looking at something that doesn't want to leave.


09;54;43;24 - 09;54;34;13

Aaron

And it's and it's kicking and screaming and you're in a hell trying to let it go. And most people just go, You know what? I don't want to be in hell. I'm just going to keep this demon in my life.


09;54;33;24 - 09;54;11;03

Aaron

And and this is why I think when people start talking about another way and an alternative to it, there's there's so much combativeness like our society is not used to self beating themselves up. Like, like if we would just start looking in the mirror and go on you, you are not showing up, you're not doing what you


09;54;11;03 - 09;54;00;26

Aaron

do like, I'm a little pissed off of you right now to you. Not other people. I mean, imagine that if we just look at ourselves to get more angry at ourselves than we do in others. Yeah, and we start really pushing that.


09;54;00;13 - 09;53;47;22

Aaron

Then maybe when someone says something to me, it's actually familiar and it's it's actually a friend like, Yeah, you know what? I've been saying the same thing to myself, or I've said something different, and I didn't see that side of it.


09;53;47;22 - 09;53;39;18

Aaron

But I appreciate when I look at something that needs to die. Mm hmm. And and that's, I think, what we're missing right now.


09;53;38;26 - 09;53;27;14

Jon

And that's a problem when you don't have an ideal right, you can be self indignant. You know, when you're pursuing something greater than yourself. That's what I mean by a deal. And when I say, king, you know, like earlier, I'm a Christian.


09;53;27;14 - 09;53;08;08

Jon

So so my king is Jesus, right? And I just wanna be clear. Yep. And me saying that, by the way, terrifies me. It terrifies me to say that I had to make the decision before recorded this episode that if I was going to step in to the fullness of what I think we need to do with this


09;53;08;08 - 09;52;50;21

Jon

show and to be able to encourage others to fully look in the mirror and begin pursuing a better version of themselves and begin to pursue something greater than themselves, frankly, wherever the heck they find that. Yeah, but I had to be true and speak the truth of what is driving me.


09;52;50;16 - 09;52;38;25

Jon

Yeah. And part of that decision was the realization that some people I dearly love. The reason it scares me is because I'm afraid I'm going to lose them, that I'm going to say this and they're going to be like, peace out.


09;52;38;04 - 09;52;23;03

Jon

And I realized if that's the response, then I have to be OK with that, right? Because I have to be true to who I am. And that's part of the the sacrifice that comes back to the difficulty of when you pursue something bigger than yourself.


09;52;22;20 - 09;52;08;26

Jon

What makes it uncomfortable is you have to sacrifice. You have to give up parts of who you want to be or what you're comfortable being. You have to give up circumstances. You have to give up relationships as you're pursuing a better version of yourself.


09;52;08;15 - 09;52;06;18

Jon

Let's just look at, let's say you hang out with the party crowd.


09;52;06;14 - 09;52;06;07

Jon

Mm-Hmm.


09;52;05;28 - 09;51;54;20

Jon

You like to drink and stuff, and I get it right. And but over time, like, you're overweight and you want to change that, you want to start to improve your circumstances. You're getting serious with your girlfriend, right?


09;51;53;24 - 09;51;49;18

Aaron

Yeah, you don't want to have a fuzzy head all the time. No, you want to start getting sharp. Yeah.


09;51;49;14 - 09;51;31;27

Jon

Maybe. I don't want to, you know, I want to build my career, be able to maybe think about marrying this girl, whatever. Right? Over time, as you evolve, you're hitting the gym, you're starting to like discipline in your life, you're starting to improve your career, you may find that it's harder to go and party overnight with your


09;51;31;27 - 09;51;16;01

Jon

friends. In fact, you will find it's harder to do that and you're going to. That's going to become a point of tension. At some point you're giving up a lifestyle, and unfortunately, you're often giving up the people who are going to continue in that lifestyle to push forward into the next version of yourself, which is better for


09;51;16;01 - 09;51;14;02

Jon

you and those around you. You know.


09;51;12;16 - 09;50;52;17

Aaron

When you use even saying like you're pursuing a deal, like you say, I'm I'm a Christian. Already, people are saying, Oh, I'm comfortable with that and they're tuning it out. But what I would challenge people to say, if you say anything like that, I'm or whatever, then then I would push back was, Well, what is your ideal


09;50;52;17 - 09;50;39;12

Aaron

then? Because what I'm kind of what I'm kind of tired of people being vague. They they're they're so quick on them, like attacking, Oh, I don't like this and this and this, and they're like, OK, well, what do you stand for?


09;50;39;01 - 09;50;27;21

Aaron

Well, hold on. That's a little personal. Like, you know what, if you say stuff like that, then don't even say anything about what you're against. You got to know what you're for. Mm hmm. For if I know what you're for, then we can have a conversation.


09;50;27;20 - 09;50;10;07

Jon

Well, what's wonderful? And you said this when we were talking earlier this week is you can't speak against something. If you don't define what you're for, right, you have to stand for something. You speak against something. That's a critical missing function in a lot of what we're seeing in the division and lies that are going around us


09;50;10;07 - 09;49;46;18

Jon

. And you know, we the Grit Theory is here to be an inspiration and encouragement. Of bettering yourself in the pursuit of an ideal to face the hard things, to take ownership of your life and to muster up the ugly, hard grit that it takes to do those things right because it's not easy.


09;49;46;18 - 09;49;32;12

Jon

But man, the reward is so fun. You know when it's so worth it to look back on a year of improving yourself versus a year of waste? Yes. And that's why we're here and we've evolved in that right?


09;49;32;11 - 09;49;18;29

Jon

We've talked and this will not become I don't see you and I ever making this a political platform, a pulpit to preach from or any of that. This is just our ability to pursue better versions of ourselves and share that encouragement in the fight, right?


09;49;18;29 - 09;49;05;28

Jon

Because it's a journey. And I think that's what makes this attractive. But like, it has to be based on why the heck are we doing this? Yeah, because we believe it's what we're called to do. We believe that it's the least we can do for the gift we've been given.


09;49;05;24 - 09;48;51;21

Jon

Yep, goodness sake. And the other thing that's terrifying to me, man, is. one st like saying the things we've said today, whoa. But you know what, it feels good. It feels good because I don't feel like I'm hiding now anymore.


09;48;51;08 - 09;48;36;15

Jon

It's like, Hey, here I am. And if if it offends you, I'm sorry. That's a you problem. That's not a me problem, right? Because I've not done anything offensive. Yeah, I've exercised my right in this nation to be me and to pursue something better than myself at the benefit to love those around me.


09;48;36;10 - 09;48;24;25

Aaron

Offensive. The subject is subject to to the person anyway. So it's like you can't even define it anymore. It's like, Oh, that's offensive. Like, you know what? I'm not going to chase that. You know, it's like it's chasing the wind to me.


09;48;24;15 - 09;48;09;08

Aaron

And if we offend people, then you offend people. Now, are we trying to offend people? No. But we are trying to say what is true and that does offend people. And I, I I remember that there's the famous clip out there with Jordan Peterson.


09;48;09;04 - 09;47;53;27

Aaron

She's he's interviewing this lady from BBC, and she said, Why is it that you can? Why is your opinion more important than my being offended by that opinion or my comfort I make? Yeah, it says something like this.


09;47;53;18 - 09;47;36;15

Aaron

And he's and he said, brilliant, I thought. Sometimes you sometimes you have to risk offense and saying what is true which? And then he turns around, goes, what you just said to me, that was actually pretty uncomfortable and and I didn't really like that.


09;47;36;06 - 09;47;31;22

Aaron

What gives you the right to say that? You know what? She was silent, and this is kind of the back and forth.


09;47;31;12 - 09;47;31;03

Jon

Right?


09;47;31;02 - 09;47;17;00

Jon

Well, the truth of it is it's uncomfortable for both sides. Yes, I'm uncomfortable right now. Yes, I am so grateful because this is a step that I've needed to take for a long time. You know, a house divided cannot stand.


09;47;16;18 - 09;46;59;07

Jon

How much more can a person divided, right? Right. And that's some of the symbolism today. It's like, You know what, when I look around, they're scary things happening in the world right now. The scary things happening politically. They're scary things happening geopolitically, nationally, every on, every level.


09;46;59;07 - 09;46;45;05

Jon

It's like, Oh dear. Right? And I realized I've been really struggling with What can I do to help be a force for good? Period, because I don't want my sons to inherit a mess of problems for me, right?


09;46;45;05 - 09;46;25;25

Jon

Or from my generation or from our generations of those who are walking the Earth as adults right now. You know, I don't want that to happen. The buck's going to stop here with me, right? If they have to engage in trying to make things better because we've screwed it up, I made the decision this week definitively that


09;46;25;16 - 09;46;11;16

Jon

they will be joining me in the fight or I will be dead. It will not be. They will pick up the tools to fix things that I've neglected, agreed out of disk, out of fear of offending someone or out of fear of discomfort, a fear of cost to myself.


09;46;11;07 - 09;46;09;02

Jon

No, the buck stops with me.


09;46;09;02 - 09;45;51;01

Aaron

I love it. I love it. If if this were like, if we were thinking and think of like these old civil war movies and there's waves of soldiers that are going in right, any uniform carrying their banner, their flag, their banner and in the and I love that, that that picture of of carrying the flag because that


09;45;51;01 - 09;45;37;19

Aaron

flag represents this is what we're fighting for. This is the ideal. We're not fighting because we like to kill people. We're not fighting because we like war. It's an awful, awful thing. But this idealism more important than my life, even.


09;45;37;17 - 09;45;22;23

Aaron

Mm-Hmm. And if we if we lay that down or we let other people lay it down and we'd look back to the row behind us, say, You know what? This is you. And I feel like as a father, that's kind of what we're doing to our kids.


09;45;22;23 - 09;45;12;10

Aaron

Even, you know, if we if we don't first run into the battle and see how much territory we could take like hate and then at the end of our life on our deathbed, son, I got you this far.


09;45;12;09 - 09;45;07;18

Aaron

It's your turn now, and I think you're going to go farther than me. But let's give them a fighting chance.


09;45;07;13 - 09;44;56;07

Jon

Well, that's the goal, right? And there's three things I'm going to try and rapid fire one. You mentioned Dawn Peterson earlier. He's been asked, Do you believe in God? Because a lot of the things he says leads you to think, maybe this guy does.


09;44;56;06 - 09;44;43;09

Jon

And his response strikes me and I've taken it very seriously. So I'm I am too scared of the implications of what it would mean to say. I believe in God to say, I believe in God. And you know, hopefully his courage grows daily.


09;44;42;20 - 09;44;20;15

Jon

But I know I've taken that seriously and the reason I've not been ready to own who I'm becoming and who I am because I've been to. Hypocritical, too, torn asunder to not true to what can be due to pursuing this ideal to be able to say that and look with boldness in someone's eyes and say, that's my


09;44;20;15 - 09;44;02;24

Jon

pursuit, and here's the thing. It's a pursuit. I am still an incredibly broken and consistent supporter, human being, you know, so it's like I've not arrived, man and like today, probably going to screw something up and just make a fool of myself.


09;44;02;17 - 09;43;50;16

Jon

But that's part of the journey. And, you know, like when I screw up, I'm going to get back up and pursue the same goals I'm pursuing, especially with more boldness now because I'm one dude. You know, you're not.


09;43;50;16 - 09;43;39;23

Aaron

You're not a child anymore. A child doesn't ride a bike for fear of falling off the bike, correct? And you know, that's just part of the process as a as an adult. Yep. Like, you need to push pass it.


09;43;39;20 - 09;43;33;24

Aaron

What if it hurts? You're going to learn, you're going to get stronger and eventually you're going to see that you can accomplish things.


09;43;33;21 - 09;43;21;25

Jon

I've also become my own worst boss, so I'm not really scared. Yeah. Then I got quoted you in that, but I'm not really scared of what other people's critiques are going to be of me because there's nothing someone can do to me that is worse than what I do to my son's good.


09;43;21;24 - 09;43;18;27

Jon

Trust me, there's things I do not share. That's right, I do to myself.


09;43;18;15 - 09;43;11;02

Aaron

If you want to start you, you want to start your own business. Get ready to work for the worst boss you've ever. Yeah. The hardest boss you ever have. Or you're going to go broke.


09;43;10;22 - 09;42;57;08

Jon

Yeah, the conversations I have with myself in the run that I do not record or like, but I'm worried that some there's some poor family that I run by their house in the country here and they they just hear me yelling and cursing at myself and ripping my hair out and stuff.


09;42;56;16 - 09;42;43;25

Jon

He's that guy psycho. And, you know, but no, I'm negotiating the brass tacks, and I want to be very clear in a statement I made earlier. I said I had to be willing to let go of certain friends, should I lose them?


09;42;43;12 - 09;42;30;17

Jon

That's the worst case scenario. I I love the people. I'm afraid to lose deeply. And that's never going to change. So any loss that happens will not be because of me.


09;42;30;05 - 09;42;16;29

Aaron

Well, you also have to know that you're doing it. They have to know that you're doing it to yourself. Like, if I have something, I become friendly in my in my own life. Yeah, that can die too. Or at least be pushed to the side.


09;42;16;17 - 09;42;11;03

Aaron

If it's in the way of my mission. So it's just it's just part of the thinking process in order to accomplish what you got to.


09;42;10;13 - 09;42;05;12

Jon

It is. And yeah, and yeah, I just wanted to be clear on that because noble.


09;42;05;12 - 09;42;03;03

Aaron

Pursuits, this is unselfish things, you know?


09;42;03;02 - 09;41;50;29

Jon

Well, for me, it's my faith. Yeah, right? Like, I'm genuinely afraid by saying today, like, Hey, I'm a Christian, that I have friends that are very dear to me that I'll lose, and I talk about hypocritical. Like, That's a problem.


09;41;50;15 - 09;41;38;00

Jon

And I had to come to the place where it's like. Are you going to pursue this thing bigger than yourself enough that you're willing to lose anything for it? Yeah. And and I'm for the first time in my life saying, Yeah, I am.


09;41;37;24 - 09;41;25;00

Jon

Whatever it takes, hear him say me, I'm going to do this and do I want to lose people? Heck, no. Do I want to continue to walk with them as my brothers, right? Abso freakin lutely. Yes. Yeah, that's right.


09;41;24;22 - 09;41;16;02

Jon

The ball's in their court on that right? Because this is who I am. And if he if you're cool with that party on, let's push him. Let's keep going together. Let's keep living life together.


09;41;16;01 - 09;41;03;14

Aaron

That is such a great way to tackle your mission. Like we use the gym d'allergie often. But what if every coach and and I think they do on some level, like a someone comes in no matter where they're at?


09;41;03;13 - 09;40;50;16

Aaron

Maybe they've never even stepped in pursuit of something in their entire life? Really, that was hard. And there's those two questions. So I want I want to know what your ideal is. What are you fighting for and then what are you willing to give up to get to it?


09;40;50;13 - 09;40;48;28

Aaron

Hmm. Is simple.


09;40;47;15 - 09;40;31;27

Jon

Well, man, I'm. I'm throwing the glove today. That's an old metaphor for like establishing a duel. I'm starting a war in the war that I'm waging with my life is against division, victimhood, lies and despair. Yes. I'm not deaf.


09;40;31;18 - 09;40;14;18

Jon

That Shadow's not going to come to this house and and I want to encourage others to pick up in that fight. Hey, if it's a lie, if it's divisive, if it inspires a victimhood mentality that robs you of your personal ownership in free agency and freedom?


09;40;13;26 - 09;40;09;14

Jon

No, we have to say that those things are not good, period.


09;40;09;13 - 09;39;57;21

Aaron

We have to be friends that are are comfortable or not. I shouldn't say comfortable, but are ready to say those things, because if you say to me, everyone hates me and nobody likes me as like, that's a lie.


09;39;56;16 - 09;39;41;21

Aaron

It's a lie. Stop, stop, stop. Yep. You know, and that's that's a good friends do when they when despair is, is a temporary thing. It won't last forever. If you think it's going to last forever, then get a friend that will remind you otherwise.


09;39;41;03 - 09;39;26;25

Aaron

You know, we this we are. We are too quick to think that things are permanent, that aren't and things that. And and we're also too quick to to not believe that things can be permanent. They can become part of your.


09;39;26;25 - 09;39;20;16

Jon

Life that seem fleeting. It is it. It goes straight back to the mistaking what's non-essential for essential?


09;39;20;14 - 09;39;20;04

Jon

Right.


09;39;19;17 - 09;39;03;27

Jon

Right? Like CNN just came out. This example is hilarious to me. Like, I can't. I don't comprehend it. And they're like, there's a debate, apparently right now between like breastfeeding and breastfeeding. And I don't even know the genesis behind it.


09;39;03;27 - 09;38;50;05

Jon

Like, I don't understand the base of it or anything. What the first thought that came to my mind when I heard that that's a thing is how is it even possible for us to care about that with what's going on around us?


09;38;50;04 - 09;38;35;17

Jon

Mm hmm. Agreed. And I was on a run the other day thinking, because unfortunately, that's what I do. It puts me in uncomfortable situations. But I was thinking, you know, I was listening to this podcast and they're calling out like, Hey, we need people to speak up.


09;38;35;17 - 09;38;24;15

Jon

All right, because I've been challenged, I've been really fighting with this idea of like, What can I do right? I don't want to speak politics like, I don't want to give you an opinion podcast or conversation or lifestyle.


09;38;24;14 - 09;38;08;12

Jon

I don't want to be a I'm not a preacher, I'm not a religious person at all, which is an interesting statement based on everything I said. But but it's true in line with my faith, right? Like, I don't like trappings of large organizations that that can lead to corruption.


09;38;08;09 - 09;37;48;01

Jon

Right? And one of the reasons you know, I've been so scared to come out with these things is because I've been to too broken to even claim that I'm in the pursuit of something bigger. Right? But I kind of got stirred up a little bit because part of the conversation on this podcast is, I'm running.


09;37;48;01 - 09;37;35;05

Jon

It's like, Hey, we we need like everyone needs to speak up, you know, in whatever avenue they can. And I'm they're running, you know, like, Oh yeah, I need to get into a position. I can speak up, right?


09;37;35;05 - 09;37;28;06

Jon

I need to speak up. And then it kind of hit me like a freight train. I was like, You you idiot. You have a podcast.


09;37;27;05 - 09;37;26;18

Jon

You're building.


09;37;26;18 - 09;37;09;21

Jon

A business. You're you're doing stupid things on social media. Why the heck aren't you just saying the truth there in in potentially encouraging some of those who are listening anyways? And by the way, also putting yourself to that standard of convictions that you do not have an out?


09;37;09;08 - 09;37;03;09

Jon

That's something, right? I was like, All right, here we go. And I called you poor guy. You go calling him a hey mother.


09;37;02;06 - 09;36;59;10

Jon

Which a you can't.


09;36;58;24 - 09;36;56;28

Aaron

Oh, Jon's fired up again. Let's see what's going on.


09;36;56;24 - 09;36;55;13

Jon

What goes through your mind when you go.


09;36;55;13 - 09;36;54;15

Jon

All like that, by the way?


09;36;53;29 - 09;36;34;26

Aaron

I think, you know, it's when you have when you have a friend that you know well enough, you just know where that's coming from. You know, it's like if, if, if you're amped up about something or know in like a passionate, positive way or something negative is going on, you just kind of read it.


09;36;34;25 - 09;36;21;25

Aaron

You just kind of go, Oh, yeah, this is like a temper that it's not like offensive to me because I know who you are. And so I was like, All right, let's I think he needs. I think he needs someone to talk to.


09;36;21;24 - 09;36;10;02

Aaron

Otherwise this is going to be this is going to fester a bit. So but you know, the water is good as long as it keeps pouring. When it stays in the same place, it's it tends to become septic, you know, so we get to.


09;36;10;02 - 09;36;05;09

Jon

Yeah, it's like fire in a fireplace is good. When it starts burning the whole house up, it's a problem.


09;36;04;26 - 09;36;04;10

Jon

Exactly.


09;36;04;00 - 09;36;01;09

Aaron

And let's put let's put direction to this, right?


09;36;01;08 - 09;36;00;06

Jon

Yeah, let's do.


09;35;59;21 - 09;35;46;07

Jon

All right. Thanks for answering that question. I've wondered, because if you don't know, yeah, you don't know, but I can come back. I want you to have a great day. I hope you're encouraged to. And a five minutes later, you may get another call from.


09;35;45;21 - 09;35;37;26

Jon

Right. Hey, mother. Anyway, what just happened? All right. Welcome to the inside. But but.


09;35;37;25 - 09;35;24;09

Jon

It's wild. This man in, you know, if we're waging war against division, right? Yeah. Then why it? What do we want to accomplish? We want to inspire hope, right? We want to inspire grit. Right. And by grit, we really mean.


09;35;22;20 - 09;35;04;23

Jon

Character and integrity enough to do hard things. Yes, like have conversations like this? Yes. You know, to be able to look at something and say it's not good. Is a very uncomfortable thing, and it takes strength to do it if you're taking.


09;35;03;18 - 09;34;50;02

Jon

If you take the seriousness of that action into account. Mm-Hmm. Right. It's easy to sit back and just be judgmental and mouth off as a theorist. Hmm. Right? Mm hmm. Oh, I'm comfortable on my couch hiding behind the screen.


09;34;49;27 - 09;34;37;15

Jon

Right? But but to to actually put things into action, you become a practitioner. Right? Good old Goggins loves that. That difference the theorist versus the practitioner. And he likes making fun of theorists. While it's for a reason, man.


09;34;37;09 - 09;34;25;29

Jon

Like if you write seven books but don't do anything. When he thought about a lot, but you don't know. You know, a lot about it, but you don't know anything about it because the second you start experiencing something, it changes the entire thing.


09;34;25;24 - 09;34;04;09

Jon

You see you see that a lot. In great example, this last week sent my wife to take care of her grandfather, who's very, very ill in hospital. Fighting for his life. Right? And she's there and she's doing like 2448 hour shifts with her father, right?


09;34;04;07 - 09;33;49;17

Jon

His son with her uncle with her step mom. They're doing these shifts and what they found is because they're doing shifts and going through the night with him. He's recovering. He he's not stressing out and flatlining at night and stuff, and he's slowly getting healthier and.


09;33;48;04 - 09;33;34;10

Jon

But but what's so interesting is the clarity of the person in the room versus the encouragement they're getting, the encouragement they're getting, even from the people who are in the room the next day or the day before. There's it's disjointed, right?


09;33;34;00 - 09;33;16;16

Jon

Like the person in the room sees the suffering and is working to mitigate the suffering and help do the things that are required to make the person healthier. The person out of the room without seeing the suffering immediately forgets the suffering in line for what the ideal best case would be to fix something.


09;33;16;04 - 09;33;02;23

Jon

And there are no continue doing that because it gives him a better chance of survival. And together he's exhausted and suffering and needs rest for some time. Yes, and we have to remind ourselves, OK, we're not always going to be on the frontlines of it difficulty.


09;33;02;08 - 09;32;45;12

Jon

But when we're walking along with someone who is trust in insight for being on the ground and try to give encouragement while strength, while speaking to the fact that like, hey, you see the problems firsthand, I'm from a distance, so I trust your discernment because you see the whole picture.


09;32;44;24 - 09;32;41;01

Jon

I just want to provide some further clarity and encouragement to you.


09;32;40;25 - 09;32;17;04

Aaron

That's what's the difference between having a dynamic. A dynamic response to pain versus a static one. Yeah. You know, that's poor leadership. I mean, anyone can do that leadership thing like do this that that that that that a dynamic leader looks at it and assesses who's in it with with the person and goes, This is this is


09;32;16;28 - 09;32;03;27

Aaron

OK. This is nuanced. Like, Yes, they need this, but this is how we're going to handle it. And that takes empathy. That takes time. And that's. That's what a true friend does. They're in it.


09;32;03;14 - 09;31;51;22

Jon

Well, in the army, so I was an officer, and when you're going through all the leadership schools, they they remind you a lot and then you forget so quickly. I mean, that's just human nature. You forget the things you learn, but don't lose the boots on the ground.


09;31;51;21 - 09;31;32;28

Jon

Perspective, right, is the idea you're going to have what in any conflict you're going have a frontline right where people are fighting. And if you're removed from that front line, you're not getting the whole picture. So if you lose the context, you're going to over and you're not taking into account appropriately the reports you're getting from your


09;31;32;28 - 09;31;15;28

Jon

leaders who are seeing the front line, you're going to make decisions that are foolish. That sounds so good in whatever comfortable little cell comparatively you're in. And that's where it's like looking at this stuff, right? Yes, I heard that call to, Hey, we like everyone needs to speak up.


09;31;15;19 - 09;31;12;27