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2. Serving Others _ Aaron Robinson



 

In episode two the roles are reversed and now it is Aaron’s turn to sit in the hot seat.

Highlights from the discussion include:

  • Why we should pursue difficulty, discomfort and challenge.

  • Why we should let our children face hardship.

  • The importance of considering perception, reputation and the legacy that we are creating.

  • The central theme of serving others, and how to get there.

  • Outrageous goal setting.

  • How to overcome the urge to quit when things are brutally hard.

  • The critical importance of selecting our inner circles carefully.

  • Honoring “Way Makers” and our excitement around bringing in more voices to the conversation.

  • Goals and hopes for “The Grit Theory” over the coming year.

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08;06;38;20 - 08;06;32;07

Jon

All right. Hello, everyone, this is Jon Mayo. And as always, I'm joined with Aaron Robinson, my fellow co-host.


08;06;32;04 - 08;06;31;15

Aaron

Hello.


08;06;31;06 - 08;06;28;05

Jon

Yeah, today's an exciting day because we get to focus on you.


08;06;26;20 - 08;06;16;12

Aaron

Yeah, exciting. I feel it's weird because even though we're friends, I feel a little nervous right now. I don't know if that's because I'm bracing for impact from you. Just knowing who you are, but we'll go for it.


08;06;16;12 - 08;06;14;25

Aaron

I don't care. I trust you.


08;06;14;12 - 08;06;11;17

Jon

You should be crunching just a little bit.


08;06;07;21 - 08;06;07;03

Aaron

I just remember.


08;06;07;03 - 08;05;57;05

Aaron

That thing you tell me just cracks me up when you said, I said, surprise to you one time. And he said, Don't say that to me, Aaron. So what do you mean? Because when I hear surprise.


08;05;56;28 - 08;05;54;11

Aaron

I hear Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.


08;05;53;28 - 08;05;44;04

Aaron

That's kind of what our friendship has been. I feel like here, and I got a surprise for you. Like, I'm going to get I'm going to pummeled by something. It's not going to be a wonderful, nice thing.


08;05;43;24 - 08;05;43;03

Aaron

And for a.


08;05;43;03 - 08;05;36;17

Jon

Little bit more context on the bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah, that's like a gun, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then I'm on the ground. It's like Bang, bang, bang.


08;05;36;00 - 08;05;33;29

Aaron

Yeah, exactly. That's that's what's happening.


08;05;33;29 - 08;05;32;18

Jon

It's like this hilarious twist.


08;05;30;27 - 08;05;28;28

Aaron

Like, that's Jon's mind. It's a little.


08;05;28;28 - 08;05;28;12

Aaron

Off.


08;05;27;23 - 08;05;14;04

Jon

But well, I did admit in episode one that I'm not well. Yeah, that's true. So there are so many openings I wanted to do with you. Like the one I really wanted to do for a long time was just ask how you became a silver fox?


08;05;12;19 - 08;04;57;23

Jon

Right? So many of my friends reach out and be like, Who's that handsome dude you're working with? He's out of your league as a friend, which I'm not. Even I'll spare you the response to that.


08;04;57;23 - 08;04;56;29

Aaron

All right. All right.


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Jon

But it is the perfect segue way. Yesterday, you made public on social media that you need a pick. Better friends.


08;04;50;14 - 08;04;50;02

Aaron

That's true.


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Aaron

Why?


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Aaron

Well, Jon, the reason why I got to pick better friends is because they make me uncomfortable. And so simultaneously, I have wonderful friends like yourself and I have terrible friends because I don't get a. I don't know.


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Aaron

There's there's.


08;04;31;17 - 08;04;18;28

Aaron

Less hedonism in my life than I want to have, you know, but I guess that's kind of that's the good tension that we need to put in our life. So I do appreciate it, but simultaneously it's it's aggravating.


08;04;18;21 - 08;04;14;26

Aaron

So that's where we're at. Yeah. So let's put.


08;04;14;26 - 08;04;04;00

Jon

On that a little bit more because it's I think very I think some of the context of it is very true to what we want to look at here. Yeah, right here, we're exploring extraordinary and dumbed will people, right?


08;04;03;29 - 08;03;49;28

Jon

We're makers and you're one of them. You are an incredibly interesting human being. And we've kind of sparked this ongoing joke where when we do something truly horrible, you're like, I need to pick better friends. I don't know why I'm here.


08;03;48;13 - 08;03;40;02

Jon

And yesterday was one of those days. Yup. And I have a two part question for you. What? What did we do yesterday that inspired that? And why do you keep doing that?


08;03;40;01 - 08;03;25;20

Aaron

Yeah, yeah. So as you know, Jon and I had one of the things we like to do is exercise. It's sort of like this. It kind of makes the metaphysical of physical reality, you know, it's kind of going on internally.


08;03;25;20 - 08;03;12;26

Aaron

It's like, we're not really running. We're exercising a peace internally in us, right? So that's why we do it. It's not like, I'm like, it's vain. And I don't think it's vanity that although I don't like, you know, being fat or anything.


08;03;12;26 - 08;02;55;03

Aaron

But but I think it's more than that. It's like the mental acuity that comes from that. The meditation that comes to that. I think it's it's so powerful for the day. But yesterday we brought it up a notch in that we I woke up and as I do and I know we're going to go running.


08;02;54;27 - 08;02;38;13

Aaron

I looked at the temperature and the temperature was a resounding zero degrees. There was not a degree, not one, not one degree to warm me up. And then in addition, of course, there's the wind and the wind.


08;02;38;13 - 08;02;37;26

Jon

Mile per hour.


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Aaron

Yeah. 19. And it carried a resounding negative, I guess, competing degrees in the 20 degree variety. So negative 20 wind.


08;02;23;25 - 08;02;23;08

Aaron

Yeah.


08;02;22;20 - 08;02;17;15

Aaron

That was that was really cold, and it was. And everything in me didn't want to do it.


08;02;17;03 - 08;02;15;20

Jon

Well, the clothing didn't help.


08;02;15;00 - 08;02;12;19

Aaron

Yeah, yeah. You gave me some tips later.


08;02;11;20 - 08;02;08;12

Jon

And then we got back to the gym. Yeah, and that was it. Much better?


08;02;07;25 - 08;01;55;09

Aaron

No, no, no. It was so cold in there. Like to touch the metal for more than ten seconds. Was was encouraging frostbite through the gloves? Yeah, that's how cold it was.


08;01;55;08 - 08;01;49;10

Jon

Yeah, we quite literally needed to bring a bonfire, a propane bonfire in to just keep our hands warm between sets.


08;01;49;09 - 08;01;42;00

Aaron

Yes, our triple set was there was one workout, the second workout and the third workout was warm, hands over fire.


08;01;41;06 - 08;01;40;18

Aaron

Then repeat.


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Jon

It was and it's been interesting because since you and I have been working out more consistently, which has been about the last six months, especially as winters come. Yeah, there seems to have been a shift that I think you were you were pulling on earlier about how it's not about the workout.


08;01;23;20 - 08;01;12;28

Jon

No, it's about something it does more mentally. Yeah. And one of the things I notice from you as your friend is that at first is like, Jon, what are we doing? Are you sure we should be doing this like.


08;01;12;24 - 08;01;12;17

Aaron

It's.


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Jon

There's 30 mile per hour winds and it's freezing. It's blowing snow. You know, it's like, I know, I'm not sure, Aaron, but let's do it again. And now I hear you use words like, This is what we do.


08;01;01;01 - 08;00;50;08

Jon

Yeah, and it's kind of. Has that shifted into your day also, and what is that shift felt like and look like in what it clearly is keeping you doing it? Why?


08;00;50;05 - 08;00;44;22

Aaron

Yeah, you know, Jon, you're saying that and thinking of our listeners here.


08;00;44;22 - 08;00;44;05

Aaron

Where.


08;00;43;15 - 08;00;28;20

Aaron

At some point we've got to realize the things that are difficult impact other people. Otherwise we'll stop doing it because personally, if I'm just serving myself and no one else is affected, it's really easy to quit on things, you know, like, I'm a bad personal accountability partner.


08;00;28;20 - 08;00;09;21

Aaron

But when I know that like someone else's encouragement is on the line, I think it's like a first responder or something where it's like, Look, I don't feel like doing this thing today, but that person, the person that I'm going to affect, doesn't know that I don't feel like I want to do it, but they need me


08;00;09;10 - 09;59;53;16

Aaron

to be there and doing it. And so sometimes the attitude comes along. That's ideal. Like, I love that. As difficult was that I felt like guttural laughing coming from us because it was so it brought a joy out of that suffering that I thought was wonderful, you know?


09;59;53;14 - 09;59;46;06

Aaron

But it takes time to get there. You know, the if you that was if that was day one, I'd be like, this is the worst mistake I've ever.


09;59;46;06 - 09;59;45;21

Aaron

Made, right?


09;59;45;07 - 09;59;24;05

Aaron

But because we've done it enough times, I'm realizing, man, this is this is really affecting my attitude in a wonderful way. You know? Yeah. So for those people that have to do the the thing that they don't want to do, I just I think I recognize that I know they're doing it for more than just them.


09;59;24;05 - 09;59;23;01

Aaron

And I think that's a wonderful thing.


09;59;22;22 - 09;59;06;20

Jon

And it's kind of. So, yeah, if I'm hearing you correctly, this is in some way an act in which you get to do the same. Mm-Hmm. You get to put yourself through something that you may not want to do, but you hope it's an encouragement or something to either yourself to be a better person.


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Jon

Thus, be able to serve better elsewhere or the act itself may encourage someone is absolutely.


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Aaron

And conversely, if you don't do something, it's going to. It will impact more than just you don't don't kid yourself. When you say no to something, someone's being effective.


09;58;51;15 - 09;58;34;20

Jon

So I like to keep digging in this a little bit because I think that, yeah, from observing you, this is something extremely essential to who you are. From my observation, that is, if it's not serving something more than yourself, you immediately become uninterested.


09;58;34;18 - 09;58;20;25

Jon

Mm hmm. I've noticed that you're very uncomfortable allowing things in if it's just for you and you found this amazing balance where you can recharge and recuperate and find joy from things that are also beneficial to others, you know?


09;58;20;18 - 09;58;03;12

Jon

And I think it's one of the things that makes you such an extraordinary person and friend. And why? Why do you care so much that everything you do kind of shines a light? Right? And even with your workouts, you want those to be like an encouragement to others, and you shared stories on how it has encouraged other


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Jon

friends to do certain things. Why is that so critical to you?


09;57;59;25 - 09;57;42;04

Aaron

Yeah. Thanks, Jon. And also just, you know, just to be totally honest, like that's a challenge constantly. Like, sometimes I knowingly do things that are selfish. It's just a matter of having having the the honesty to examine it.


09;57;41;27 - 09;57;27;14

Aaron

Hmm. You know, and you know, like the classic examples like how much screen time are you given just to you? It's not, you know, you know, and you're not sharing life with somebody else or, you know, the list goes on and on as far as what activities you're doing.


09;57;25;14 - 09;57;07;11

Aaron

But I think I think what's really important to me is sort of like this old joke. I heard about a a guy who went to hell and he's playing golf right? And there's an onlooker who's trying to ask Saint Peter, you know, it's like, it's always Saint Peter.


09;57;07;11 - 09;56;53;19

Aaron

It's like, Why that was my enemy? Why does he get to go and play golf for all of eternity? And then he watches a guy and then he like, smacks the ball. And then in the ball is a hole in one and he's like, You got to be kidding me, this is the sky's eternity.


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Aaron

And then Saint Peter just leans over to the guy and he says, Yeah, but who's he going to tell, you know? And so the whole idea is, if you live a life that's just for you, you know who is, who are you going to be high fiving?


09;56;41;12 - 09;56;30;15

Aaron

There's a real joy in being able to go through the journey with somebody. And those are stories you get to share and look back on and laugh. And you know that those are great conversations I have, I feel like.


09;56;28;28 - 09;56;25;07

Jon

Yeah, there's there's two parts I wish I could go down, both of them.


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Aaron

Choose your own adventure. Come on, Jon.


09;56;21;26 - 09;56;09;10

Jon

Choose your own adventure. I think the first and it's especially true to choosing to do the hard right over the easy wrongs or whatever. Yeah, is you mentioned really? You know, I do selfish things like I said, why right?


09;56;08;28 - 09;55;52;11

Jon

Anyone who is honest with themselves probably would realize that video. Like, actually, I'll say that definitively, everyone to selfish things. Sure, anyone can try and argue with that. I'd like to hear it. But you know, just to throw that out there, it's kind of fun last time when we did did that around fatherhood, but.


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Jon

Why in the world do you choose to face yourself, why do you examine what could be a weakness and what does it do for you? That's uncomfortable.


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Aaron

Yeah, that's that's a discussion we've had. Right. And that's a journey of becoming an adult. Because. Our mind. All it wants to do is preserve and be comfortable. It's like its job, you know, don't do that thing. In its almost sets off an alarm like you're hurting yourself, you're you know, this is this is dangerous.


09;55;15;19 - 09;55;04;12

Aaron

And yet the spirit in you has to overcome that and say, you know what, mind you need to stop holding us back from accomplishing something really great here.


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Aaron

Mm hmm.


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Aaron

And I didn't ask you if this is. I didn't say that comfort is a requisite for good things. And oftentimes, I think almost I mean, 95% of the time discomfort has to exist in order to grow.


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Jon

Hmm. I love that we have a poster in the gym we share that says comfort is a slow death. Prefer pain.


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Aaron

Exactly right. It sounds masochistic, but there is a real deep truth in that.


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Jon

There is when you take a pass, the rah right? Right. When you look at the reality like. Oh, I want to do this thing, and it's going to give us this wonderful reward, right? Yeah, but it's difficult. Maybe it's lack of difficulty is a slow death.


09;54;17;27 - 09;53;59;15

Aaron

Jon. We're living in an age right now where the art of conflict, just talking and having conflict is dying. Like, I think the coasting mentality right now mentally is just don't engage if someone's going to get upset and like, why is that?


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Aaron

I would really challenge that. Like, have more conflicts with people. Do it healthy, do it respectful. But I'll tell you that everything you learn will be from a conflict of some on some level something that challenges the way you thought before.


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Aaron

And we just have to have a presumption, a good wise presumption. You don't know everything.


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Aaron

Mm-Hmm.


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Aaron

And and you're just one conflict away from challenging something that needs to be adjusted. So it's uncomfortable. It's very uncomfortable to your point.


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Jon

Well, if we could just string like a plumb line, like a solid thing through a few words, we said, I better paint the picture. It's. Discomfort, it's a difficulty, it's conflict, right? All these things are one in the same, you could almost use them interchangeably.


09;53;06;10 - 09;52;52;15

Jon

It's uncomfortable to look myself in the mirror and say, I'm messing this up. Yeah, it's uncomfortable to. Stop eating the things you want when they're making you unhealthy. You know it, you're in conflict with yourself in those situations.


09;52;52;11 - 09;52;39;24

Jon

Yeah, it's very difficult when you're mad with a friend or your significant other to push past that rage or that anger, or that whatever it is that makes you want nothing more than to stay silent and say nothing at that point.


09;52;39;24 - 09;52;33;22

Jon

Right. And. Work towards a conclusion, you know, that is beneficial.


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Aaron

Yeah.


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Jon

And I think that through, you know, it's uncomfortable to do the hard thing at work. You know, whatever that work may be to progress to the next level. Yeah. And I think that when you look at those scenarios through the the lenses of discomfort, conflict difficulty, all of a sudden it's easier to connect from any from anywhere


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Aaron

. And and normalize it and.


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Jon

Normalize it.


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Aaron

Like when it's there and it's uncomfortable. Rather than go to the path of man of Exit, which is which is where, let's face it, like when you're out there running, you know, like you did this morning and it's like snowing and icy and nasty.


09;51;52;24 - 09;51;35;00

Aaron

Your mind will always at least at least at one point there will be a suggestion you. Maybe you shouldn't do this right? That voice gets quieter over time, but there's always an exit strategy that's available to you. It's very loud if you haven't created that discipline in your life, and so it's easy to go, Oh, this is


09;51;35;00 - 09;51;18;20

Aaron

hard when you stop. But if you've increased, the volume on discipline is our friend. This is part of the process. If it's difficult, it's it's almost telling that you're doing the right thing versus the opposite where this is a bad idea.


09;51;17;29 - 09;51;08;17

Jon

So how in the world do that and how does that help you better serve since that's like, how does that help you better love your four kids, your wife, right?


09;51;07;24 - 09;50;49;20

Aaron

Great question. Yeah, we are transferring to others what we are willing to go out and get, you know, so I wouldn't tell my kids to go do something that I am either unwilling or haven't already gone down the road to do.


09;50;48;15 - 09;50;33;00

Aaron

And so we're coming home with those thoughts and ideas of like. You know, difficult difficulties, our friend, then then then when my kids bring it up, like they're seeing my their dad like, I don't. Am I a comfort dad?


09;50;32;29 - 09;50;17;29

Aaron

You know, are you seeing me doing whatever is the easiest? Or do you see me think intentionally knowing it's difficult? Sometimes you find out it's difficult later. Now that happens a lot too. It's bigger. This is bigger than I thought it was, and I would never start the journey, which is a gift, because now you're in it


09;50;16;27 - 09;49;58;15

Aaron

, you're going to you're going to finish it. But not unlike marriage or anything else like this is harder than I thought it was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're going to get strong through this, right? So going and tell my kids that same thing, you know, whether it's right now, it's so small, comparatively speaking, you know, from adult


09;49;58;15 - 09;49;40;12

Aaron

, but a kid, it's everything that they can't figure out math. It's like everything that they're not as good at a sport. It's everything that they're not is that they they can't figure out how to read as fast as the other kids, like watching them go through that difficulty is sort.


09;49;40;12 - 09;49;40;07

Aaron

Of.


09;49;39;08 - 09;49;23;16

Aaron

You see it on their own smaller level, what you're dealing with and you just have different tasks and different difficulties. It never goes away. And so to be able to kind of, you know, kneel down, look, the kid in there, it's like, I know this is hard, you know, like, I'm getting emotional just like this, like dad's


09;49;23;16 - 09;49;11;04

Aaron

heart coming out. But it's like, I know this is hard. Like, What are you going to do about it? You know, how are you going to respond to difficulty because I don't want you to run away? This is going to be your whole life.


09;49;10;12 - 09;49;00;04

Aaron

So what do we do? And I want to help you do that. You know, I want to. I'm partnering with you to do that. And in teaching, that has been a powerful thing. I just it's incredible to get that back.


09;48;59;24 - 09;48;37;03

Jon

We're talking about some pretty high level concepts right now. Right, right. To bring it to Earth a little bit and to continue into it because I think we're really working on something frankly awesome, right? Like inspiring. You said that you wouldn't have your children do something that you've not already walked in or are willing to do.


09;48;36;28 - 09;48;30;20

Jon

Right, right. And when you see them struggle. You're not protecting them from it.


09;48;30;05 - 09;48;28;06

Aaron

No, why? No.


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Aaron

It's it's.


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Aaron

It's.


09;48;25;05 - 09;48;09;16

Aaron

Somebody might listen and think they're going to have opposing opinions. But let me say this is just my journey. I know the immutable law of difficult difficulty will always be incumbent upon us. It's how we're going to deal with it.


09;48;08;11 - 09;47;46;21

Aaron

And. I'll tell you the difficulty that will always arise if you try to avoid difficulty is the difficulty of dealing with the fact that you. I suspect that you could be greater. Hmm. And that is a worse difficulty to me to deal with, but it produces no fruit.


09;47;46;02 - 09;47;29;17

Aaron

So why, you know, why work a garden that does, does nothing doesn't produce anything. I'd rather have the difficulty of cultivating something that has lasting impact in my life. Hmm. If it's going to be difficult, might as well be something.


09;47;29;07 - 09;47;24;08

Aaron

Have a good product out of it. So, yeah, you're going to see some.


09;47;24;08 - 09;47;07;15

Jon

Yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking listening to you. I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, right. We. In the in the mail household, refused to protect our children from hardship and difficulty, right, obviously to a point. There are things that mom or their dad are going to step in and not allow.


09;47;07;11 - 09;46;56;07

Jon

Right? But you know, it's negative three degrees today. Really small example. Super short. I went out did the work out, the run, all that my boys do. We have to go take care of the animals we do today.


09;46;56;07 - 09;46;44;19

Jon

It's really cold. You absolutely do. Who's going to feed them and care for them if you don't do your duty? Right, right, right. They bundle up. They went, did it? That's a difficulty many would maybe not want their children to experience, but it makes them more resilient.


09;46;44;12 - 09;46;24;12

Jon

You know, and if life is a journey on a road? There's no way to make that road safeguarded and easy. No, we can if if I protect my sons from hardship, I will die. Mm hmm. They will then face the hardships of this world unequipped and without my support.


09;46;24;00 - 09;46;11;11

Jon

As they learn to to work through them and thrive. And that's what I think. That's what you're touching on with the Garnett's. I don't want to cultivate something. I don't want to pour into something, create something and send it for me and have it die.


09;46;11;07 - 09;46;04;13

Jon

Yet I want it to thrive despite the difficulty that goes back to everything we're talking about, doesn't it?


09;46;04;05 - 09;45;44;11

Aaron

Yeah, I mean, it's I think it's a law you can have. You can observe, especially you have a farmer. You know, it's if you help a check, open an egg, it will die. It will not live because its first lesson in life is difficulty will produce the muscles by which you will live.


09;45;43;26 - 09;45;30;03

Aaron

Mm-Hmm. And that's what parents have to do for. I mean, if if a chicken gets it a dumb animal like a chicken gets it, why not us where we can allow difficulty to be a teacher with parameters like you said?


09;45;29;14 - 09;45;19;11

Aaron

It'd be wise with it, but let our kids cry. Let our kids fail. I mean, I think a lot of us as parents don't want to do that because it's difficult for us to watch it.


09;45;19;06 - 09;45;18;24

Aaron

Mm-Hmm.


09;45;18;14 - 09;45;12;27

Aaron

And we have to be OK with that difficulty where we stay in that and let it be the teacher.


09;45;12;25 - 09;44;54;18

Jon

What's messy, too? Yeah. If you let your Four-Year-Old cook eggs with supervision, with supervision, right, they're going to they're probably able to do it. Yeah, but you're going to have three eggs on the ceiling. But but the next time, there may only be one on the ceiling right now of four year olds cooking.


09;44;54;18 - 09;44;51;03

Jon

It's breakfast with supervision. While you're tending to whatever you know.


09;44;51;02 - 09;44;42;14

Aaron

And Boise proud of what he produces to this messy thing. But what can you do as a data other than go, Wow, well, that's cool. You tried that, you know?


09;44;42;02 - 09;44;26;07

Jon

And I think this is directly central. Yeah, this is 100% on target with what we're talking about a second ago on why in the world do you weigh your art? You're up at five. You still get in the car when it's negative 20 with wind chill zero degrees.


09;44;26;07 - 09;44;14;21

Jon

There's not one of those guys. We can go fine on the run. Hmm. And you still pursue these things, right? We've talked about that, and it's the same reason to cultivate something of value that can thrive in difficulty.


09;44;13;11 - 09;44;08;15

Jon

In yourself so that you can then give that to your children as they learn to do the same.


09;44;08;14 - 09;44;07;15

Aaron

Yes, that's.


09;44;07;15 - 09;44;04;21

Jon

Right. That seems to be a way to wrap a bow on that in a sense.


09;44;04;13 - 09;44;03;09

Aaron

Yup. I think.


09;44;01;22 - 09;43;47;23

Aaron

That's where we have to just be comfortable in the discomfort, that's a thing like let that be a normal thing is is embrace it and little things like it's cold today. You're not going to die.


09;43;47;23 - 09;43;47;03

Aaron

It's, you know.


09;43;46;09 - 09;43;36;21

Aaron

I don't like taking the garbage out in the cold day, you know, just like they just like the next guy, right? But it's not like it's going to overwhelm me. I just don't like it. It's uncomfortable.


09;43;36;15 - 09;43;32;04

Jon

But there's this really fun mentality like super right field, but just too much.


09;43;31;19 - 09;43;31;08

Aaron

OK.


09;43;31;03 - 09;43;22;07

Jon

And it's from like this Espada the movie. Yeah, where it's like we will block out the sun with our arrows and then the kings like, well, then we'll fight in the shade.


09;43;21;27 - 09;43;17;02

Aaron

Or the three 303. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same thing. Like.


09;43;16;00 - 09;43;11;11

Jon

We will learn to thrive regardless.


09;43;11;10 - 09;43;10;28

Aaron

Yeah.


09;43;10;04 - 09;42;59;23

Jon

I mean, I think that's a beautiful reason to push into difficulty and discomfort. We will grow. We will create value. Yep, and we will learn to thrive. Period. Yep.


09;42;58;14 - 09;42;38;22

Aaron

Yep, and don't and don't wish happiness and comfort on everybody all the time. You know, let sometimes the best thing you could do for even a friend is let them live in the suck, you know, like instead of reducing the level of pain, sometimes they got to have it.


09;42;38;22 - 09;42;28;19

Aaron

They got to go through that, whatever that is that they're trying to overcome in their life. You know, don't be the guy that reduces pain. Be the one that walks with them through it.


09;42;27;29 - 09;42;21;23

Jon

Well, because in reducing, you could spare. You could get with good intentions. Spare them the lesson that could save them, right?


09;42;21;08 - 09;42;18;19

Aaron

Yeah. Otherwise they're going to have to go and do the lesson again.


09;42;18;17 - 09;42;16;04

Jon

Or they stay asleep forever. Right on repeat.


09;42;16;03 - 09;42;15;12

Aaron

Yep, that's.


09;42;15;12 - 09;42;10;21

Jon

Right. And so the second path I want to go on, I saved it. Oh, I don't forget it.


09;42;10;07 - 09;42;08;26

Aaron

So here we go. I Typekit.


09;42;08;26 - 09;42;08;13

Aaron

Brace for.


09;42;08;13 - 09;42;05;27

Jon

Impact. Yeah, I don't have a memory much longer than a goldfish.


09;42;05;27 - 09;42;05;09

Aaron

That worked well.


09;42;04;13 - 09;41;48;04

Jon

But it was cute off something you said a mango and that we already touched on. But from a different perspective, you said I wouldn't. I want. When you look at your kids and you ask them, do you I lead an easy challenge, free life.


09;41;47;26 - 09;41;47;16

Aaron

Hmm.


09;41;46;27 - 09;41;33;27

Jon

Right. You mentioned that when you're like, I wouldn't have you do something I've not done or am unwilling to do. And there is something you're someone who looks decades in the future with your plans and then you bring it back to today.


09;41;33;18 - 09;41;18;29

Jon

So you have a long sighted beyond yourself thought process in the world that came to mind. When I heard that word, there is three. There's what example my setting? What reputation do I have? Specifically to those closest to me.


09;41;18;10 - 09;41;16;23

Jon

And what legacy in my creating?


09;41;16;21 - 09;41;16;06

Aaron

Yeah.


09;41;16;00 - 09;41;03;03

Jon

And why in that? That's what screamed out at me, and I was hoping that you could maybe play with that a little bit because I do think from my observations, we've not talked about this before, but that seems to be something that you spend some time thinking about.


09;41;03;03 - 09;41;02;17

Jon

Is that fair?


09;41;02;16 - 09;40;58;25

Aaron

Yeah, it is. Yeah, give me that first question again. So hit it.


09;40;58;14 - 09;40;44;12

Jon

So bottom. Yeah, bottom line. You essentially when we're talking. Let yourself be an example to the children you asked what type of life do I live? Yep, that means you put some thought to have the courage to say that to your children.


09;40;44;03 - 09;40;43;16

Aaron

We have.


09;40;43;13 - 09;40;41;28

Jon

What legacy are you creating yet?


09;40;41;28 - 09;40;28;22

Aaron

That's the. So the example piece like this and this is we got to be careful with this because we don't want to let. We don't want to make our kids feel like they're nothing in our presence or something.


09;40;28;10 - 09;40;14;16

Aaron

You know where we're almost showing off what we can accomplish or whatever because they can take that, you know, there's an unhealthy there, you know? You know, dad made it so unattainable for me to do anything and just showed me, you know, all that.


09;40;14;16 - 09;40;01;10

Aaron

But this is the example piece is more like, Hey, I don't want you to have equal. I don't want you to have equal weight, I just want you to have equal effort in your life.


09;40;01;05 - 09;40;00;24

Aaron

Hmm.


09;40;00;08 - 09;39;50;04

Aaron

So just as I said before, math is huge for them. It's no use for me or whatever, you know, to pursue it, river, you know, those kind of things. We look at it, we laugh, we don't laugh at them.


09;39;49;09 - 09;39;44;27

Aaron

We recognize it's just as difficult as me doing my the thing that's difficult for me.


09;39;44;26 - 09;39;44;15

Aaron

Hmm.


09;39;43;17 - 09;39;22;00

Aaron

So the example piece is just, Hey, we're both doing hard things, equal effort, difficult things. If I continue a life where I keep doing the easy things. What example, email even to them, and then I tell them to do the difficult things like that's hypocrisy, you know, so so the challenge is almost to me, it gives you