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11. Beyond Survival _ Rick Clapp _ Part 4

Updated: Nov 15, 2021


 

Today we are joined by Rick Clapp. During our conversation we explore leadership, work life balance, and how to live abundantly. Our time together uncovers nugget after nugget of insight and wisdom. Rick is a husband of 27 years, father of 6, and founder of "Beyond Survival". Highlights from this episode include: - Theory of Constraints. - The importance of self regulation. - Leading on Empty, and how to fix it. - Journey towards intentionality. - The 5% Framework - The Red, Yellow, Green Scale. - Living abundantly vs. surviving. - The Power of Full Engagement. - Why we need to learn to combine our personal and professional pursuits. Want to learn more? Check Rick's work out at: BEYOND SURVIVAL Did you find value in today’s conversation? SHARE IT!

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Aaron

Or in your early twenties or you think about how you are on vacation and what I mean by truly shutting down, how do you recover?


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Rick

Some of those things.


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Aaron

To me have been triggers of what's really like giving.


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Aaron

When responsibilities left it? And how do you what is you acting like yourself, right? Yeah, when you're really honest and say, Yeah.


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Jon

So I think the big takeaway from the last five minutes of conversation is it's not a finite list. Get it down and then keep testing and hold it up to the light and see what is what's actually happening here.


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Jon

And you're going to see come weeks like, OK, I'm aspiring to have this be life giving for this, and I kind of saw this third category come out too, which I think is almost worth doing it, maybe as a as a refining of the list, not the initial list over time.


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Jon

It's like looking at what I believe to like, what it believed to be like taking and now I have the. Discipline category, where it's not life giving, but I still to do it, whether I feel I'm supposed to or I know it's beneficial to me and I think I need to.


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Jon

Whatever it be. And then as you're kind of cycling through, you can make out and I'm not a very athletic person, right? I don't care about fitness, but I need to do to be healthy. I'm moving this from the waist down because that's not true to the discipline initiative.


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Jon

Yeah, you know, it's nice talking. It's a necessity. It's at this point. I've heard things.


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Aaron

Sometimes our disciplines help create life in us.


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Rick

But we may not.


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Aaron

Be motivated to do them right away.


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Jon

The fruit of it's the discipline to action that it's not.


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Rick

There's wisdom.


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Aaron

Interesting. So now, OK, say you make it instinctual when you say life giving. I think I go right way to like visceral like this makes me feel a certain way. But there's also a piece where it's actually life giving, even though I don't like it.


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Aaron

Mm hmm. Yeah.


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Rick

Yeah. Because you know what's.


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Aaron

Good for you? So there's a return on that, right?


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Rick

But I would say that's just as John said, it's it's third, because if you start there, then you'll be still running on low.


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Aaron

Mm-Hmm. Yeah.


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Rick

Because it takes energy to engage.


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Aaron

Things that along doing that, always think they're good. We know they're good for us.


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Rick

So to me, it always starts with the fuel. What is and you know, in the in Johnson ten, that abundant life. It doesn't have an end to it. Right. It's just overflowing, you know? And ultimately, Jesus is the answer to that.


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Rick

But from a standpoint of like spirituality and just divine design. There are things that you will gravitate.


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Aaron

Towards and you just love and your preferences when you come to life and we might hate.


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Aaron

It. You know, it's like, why does that so life.


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Aaron

Giving to you? Why is that? Why do you gravitate towards that?


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Rick

And then there are other things like.


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Aaron

I was listening to a podcast with Tim Ferriss where he was interviewing Michael Phelps and another an Aussie gold medalist. I can't remember his name right now, but they were talking about their their regiment.


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Rick

How they became.


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Aaron

Olympic athletes.


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Rick

And when they described what they did every.


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Aaron

Day for five to seven years in eight to 10,000 calories that need and how much they worked out and how they did their sleep. And I didn't.


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Rick

You know, that was a regiment that they loved.


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Aaron

The process of.


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Rick

And they love.


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Aaron

The fruits of.


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Rick

The gold medals, but the discipline where the train tracks for them.


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Aaron

To accomplish it. Mm-Hmm.


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Rick

But they had a shadow side to it as well, and they go on and I.


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Aaron

Think it's a great podcast is they're very authentic with mental health in the shadow side of what they engage.


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Rick

With. But they really the question.


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Aaron

Was what would you tell your younger self?


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Rick

And it was a lot about, do this because I love the journey, but do it in addition to living our.


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Aaron

Values because I'm living out of things that are most important.


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Aaron

To me.


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Jon

What I love is we're talking about prioritization, and I think it comes back to what you keep saying. The value based living right like what the need to start with that. Does this provide? Wife, right, does this make me feel more alive and vibrant and rejuvenated?


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Jon

Or not? Yeah, it was because for the most part, you're already challenging your already being counterculture in your conversations, already challenging the assumed norm of just grind it out. Right. So what? You have to start there to reset the mind to look, this is bring positive things into my life, making me more productive or destroying me within


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Jon

it. I love how it always comes full circle to consistency and discipline, because the things that are good for you or that produce a good return on investment are often costly and can be draining. Right, right. I didn't want to do my workout this morning and no desire, but I did it because I knew that the cost


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Jon

of not doing it on my psyche into it and who I want to become in mentally would be worse than if I did. Right. So there's that return investment, the discipline, deferred event discipline. That's the goal.


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Aaron

Because you've identified the value and the value.


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Jon

Is being disciplined and consistent in the pursuit of something of a higher value. So it's like, well, I'm going to say no to the comfort of now not wanting to do it in pursuit of wanting a higher valued existence.


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Jon

And this becomes really less even about the act, less even about the workout, more it's about the act of discipline inaccuracy. But that has to come when you're resetting your mind after you've taken a step back excuse to begin to pursue the life giving stuff.


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Rick

Yeah, I think it's good, and I think.


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Aaron

It's worthy of talking about the shadow side of things. And when we wake up and we're discouraged and we don't want to move on or we don't want to work out.


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Rick

And maybe we're questioning, is.


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Aaron

This going to work? You know, is this worth it or.


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Rick

Whatever kind of things.


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Aaron

That go down in your thought process?


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Rick

And I call those managers and I call it like, Man, I need some.


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Aaron

Man to do. I need some room where I'm remembering some reminders of why I'm doing what I'm doing.


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Rick

And I've personally created.


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Aaron

two tools that help me recalibrate a.


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Rick

Little bit emotionally. one of them is it's just.


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Aaron

It's just quotes, encouraging words, scriptures of.


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Rick

Things.


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Aaron

Reminders of my values and why I'm doing it. And so reading through those receptors, my emotions.


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Rick

And it reminds.


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Aaron

Me, Oh yeah, that's true. And yeah, I really do want to see that happen. That's why I ask you guys about the vision. You know what? What's worth, getting up, what's worth the pain, what's worth the suffering? There's a picture that I see that doesn't exist yet and is only valuable, and I'm going to effort to make


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Aaron

it happen.


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Rick

The other tool is this kind of a.


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Aaron

Reminder of all the different ways in my context of how God has gone before me and moved on my behalf. And I have the dates and the events.


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Rick

And it just reminds you that you're not alone.


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Aaron

That you're on a journey of purpose.


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Rick

And I think in the in our day and time.


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Aaron

We're going through COVID and still in it and how it exacerbates marriages and homes, individuals and leaders on there, maybe not having a great, solid foundation.


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Rick

A lot of the battle is in our minds.


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Aaron

While the battle is at our heart and some of it is just emotions. Sometimes it's just a fog. one of.


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Rick

The things what miners have.


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Aaron

Good reasons why this is happening, but you know, some of these things are out of our control.


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Aaron

So the two recalibration issues are encouragement.


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Rick

Mm-Hmm. So I call it my life coaches and.


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Aaron

Encouraging words and six quotes and.


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Rick

In.


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Aaron

Scriptures and and.


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Rick

Just these.


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Aaron

Inspirational thoughts that are really like help me get back on track. And then the other one is a reminder of how I've done here, different ways that have been that in my case, got his move or no for us to confirm we're on this path.


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Rick

And so it was kind of like a.


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Aaron

You know, a hall of remembrance, if you will.


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Rick

But then also.


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Aaron

The feeling of encouragement of like.


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Rick

You're doing something.


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Aaron

That's worthwhile.


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Rick

You just don't feel like it today.


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Aaron

Or you don't feel like doing it today.


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Rick

And it's like getting once again.


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Aaron

Attaching it back to the value. And the purpose.


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Rick

Is a really it doesn't have.


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Aaron

A purpose. I'm probably have to give up.


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Aaron

Mm-Hmm. I had that when I first had a salary job. My boss at the time wisely gave me this advice, he said. He said Every time you get encouraging now, it's something that is meaningful to you at the moment to save it.


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Aaron

And he had a file. This is the encouragement that you're going to need it at some point because you're going to want to quit your job like a dozen. Yeah, it's hard. It gets hard, but it's worth it, right?


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Aaron

I need to go back and go, OK, this is why I'm still doing.


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Jon

I have screenshots in a box and it's similar to my mindset. Mentors, men. I've served with people who work with things like that, but some reason it's interesting. I actually read three things that you do when you feel discouraged and you're kind of questioning that or looking for a refreshment to stay the course, right?


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Jon

It's like I of the framework. You know, your dream. You know, you're discouraged the three things that you do, or you try to remember the why like, why am I on this pursuit, right? When what is the vision?


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Jon

What is the goal that motivated me to start this in the first place? And then with that in mind, revisit some encouragement, right? Whether it's, you know, quotes, whether it's words, encouragement, you say from partners, what have you?


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Jon

And then the third one is remember victories, right? Because this isn't it's unlikely. This is the first difficult thing that you cannot overcome. If it is, then get past it and remember it.


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Aaron

There's a long way. Yeah, but if you're looking for. Yeah.


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Jon

If you survived that conflict already, you it's pretty. Remember beating it. And you talked about that. OK, I'm going to remember why I'm doing this. If I'm going to remember the last conflict I had that I overcame in the pursuit of this and maybe the one before that, maybe long before that, we knew how beat up I


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Jon

feel. And then I was going to top off that little motivation pill with looking at some encouragement, some some kind words, some things that really blew me away that I or that I need to hear, right? Because like, when we're hungry, we eat.


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Jon

Yeah. So if you're discouraged, consume encouraging.


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Aaron

Very logical.


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Jon

But those are the three things I heard. And I think that.


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Aaron

It's not foreign to anybody at the highest level names. We all know that I've done incredible things could tell you, they'll say. In fact, I was in this incredible little podcast about the these ten top leaders, and they were asked their top five motivators and their top five most influential pieces with becoming who they are.


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Aaron

And at least three or four of them were major failures or times really had to get through difficulty.


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Jon

Or failure to find more than cover to write, you know.


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Aaron

Yeah, it's it was there. Not not quitting, but failing. There's the difference. Right. So just realizing they came to the rehearsals and now they have to calibrate differently and it changes the next thing going forward. But they didn't.


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Aaron

Yeah, I can't walk.


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Aaron

Away. I agree.


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Rick

With. And I think that.


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Aaron

We.


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Rick

We misunderstand.


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Aaron

How powerful discouragement is. Mm hmm.


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Rick

So when I was on the other side of that burnout.


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Aaron

Experience, I shared with you that there was a belief in me that my best days were behind me.


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Rick

And that and I literally felt.


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Aaron

That I felt defeated in our thought.


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Rick

Well, this is and I had a friends in.


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Aaron

one of our life group meetings when I was sharing that, and he's like, Do you believe that that thought is from God? And I thought. No, he wouldn't say that.


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Rick

And then it clicked, why.


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Aaron

Am I thinking that?


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Aaron

Yeah, I got what a good friend. That's it. Yeah.


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Rick

A good friend would say that.


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Aaron

You know, it's not good. It's not.


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Jon

Is. This is the thought. And you see this with a lot of people. Yeah. If your best days are behind you, then why continue it? Right? Like, there's this, and I think we brought this up in an earlier conversation.


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Jon

But there's this lady. I heard this reading actually twelve rules for, like the Jordan Peterson was one of the examples that he wrote. He shared. But there is this lady at a cocktail party and there's a psychiatrist or psychologist there, something she's talkative and kind of explaining what's wrong with her getting some free counseling right at this


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Jon

point? And she she kind of just goes, OK, what's wrong with me? And it took the gentleman party off guard, right? What do you mean? What's wrong with you? You want something wrong with you? And she said, absolutely, because if something's wrong with me, I can work to fix it.


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Jon

I can work to change it. If nothing's wrong with me, this is the world, then I might as well put myself in. And to me, there's a bottom line. There are things that are good and there are things that are not good or bad, and it's good to be able to differentiate between the two, you know, which


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Jon

is which. So if you are entertaining the lie or the thought that my best days are behind me, that is not good and that is bad, that will only lead you to not living may maybe existing, but not living.


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Jon

So what is good that you can pull from that? Well, I don't know how to fix that. It may be true. It may be hard, but I'm going to begin working to find what a better day might look like and how I might be able to take the first step to it.


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Jon

And then I'm going to and take that step. Yeah. You know.


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Rick

If you're in that state of.


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Aaron

Mind.


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Rick

We affectionately call that the of suck.


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Aaron

Yes, that is.


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Aaron

It isn't right. It pretty hard to say.


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Rick

But sometimes you need someone else.


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Aaron

To remind you.


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Aaron

Mm-Hmm.


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Rick

Yeah. And for whatever reason, in that stage of life, I didn't.


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Aaron

Have the capacity or wasn't getting there on my own. But after truth was spoken into me, I was like, Well, my best days are ahead of me, and I think you're right. This is not a truth, which is a lie believing in it.


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Rick

And that, to me, is a motivating.


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Aaron

Factor to come alongside leaders, as if you're in a place where you feel like your best days are behind you. That's human. That's okay. It's just not true.


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Rick

And there are a lot of things that can change or maybe need to change to help get back up out of the valley and.


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Aaron

On the mountain peaks.


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Rick

But just staying there and recognizing.


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Aaron

That that's the case is to be stopped or something needs to change.


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Jon

Yeah, that just true with that one. Just a quick shout out to the importance of choosing leaders surrounding yourself with to the best of your ability, right when you're crafting and investing your inner circle. It really pays to do it with journaling or, you know, whatever your situation with friends or people who are going to be watching


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Jon

, you speak what's good to you when you need it right and be able to jump into the valley with you and say, Well, I guess I can hear, yeah, but I'm going to sit with you for a bit, but then we're going to start moving.


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Jon

I'm tired. That's fine. You're so moving, right? So that's kind of one aspect of it, which is really great. You know, it's just pushing through.


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Aaron

Is what a valuable time to have at the moment. You know, you're right, and this is a voice that was not know it was. And it was really making what we call it, making the storm longer than it needs to be.


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Rick

That's right.


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Aaron

And perpetuating.


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Aaron

The thoughts.


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Rick

That almost in.


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Aaron

A self protecting self-healing self, everything was self.


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Jon

To that point, I forgot the second point. Thank you because you both just jogged it again. But the Senate? Yes, there's this weird quasi ownership, especially when you know you're about to intrude on sometimes circumstance. I'm about to about a storm.


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Jon

Yeah, right. I'm coming on this storm. There's this weird adverse ownership look like I'm going to be depressed. I'm going to be hurting. I'm going to be these things. And when I hear that I hate it, I hate it with everything in me because I'm like, Okay, here's a novel idea, right?


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Jon

If you're about to get punched in the face, it's going to hurt. Let's instead of thinking about how much it's going to hurt, I'm going to be hurting my eyes, going to bruise up and it may swell and I want to shift our perspective too.


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Jon

I'm going to be punched in the face and I'm going to do this to keep you right. Whatever small thing it is like, it's fair when you're going to go through hell that it's going to suck. No one's saying about this.


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Jon

It's not going to sit right. But instead of only inflaming that, I'm going to be depressed, right? Why don't we instead say, OK, this is going to be very hard? I can tell him about to challenge. I can tell it's about to put me in a conflict on areas that I could be stronger.


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Jon

I'm going to start owning the weight through it instead of owning the death of it. You know, I'm not going to own the depression. I'm going to own the pursuit of health through the depression beyond it. Right now, I'm going to set my target on the other.


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Jon

On the other side of this dark time. Right? Because if I know I'm going experience, I have a self-awareness and I'm going to that. There is no point in owning it and making it my own. And then because that's going to perpetuate the pain.


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Jon

You might as well begin to dial in on to the things that will help shorten that time while still allowing me to learn what needs to be learned in that time to get through it and then apply it.


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Aaron

I think it's wonderful, especially if you've been through adversity or have those skill sets. And I think if you're at a place where you don't know where to turn, then it's like your step one is to ask for help.


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Aaron

It really is. So if you don't know how to navigate or you're fearful or overwhelmed by.


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Rick

It, then that's okay to like. Ideally, I'd like.


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Aaron

To say, Oh, here's another storm. I know what to do in the storm closed the windows in the back of the hatches.


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Rick

But you know, some.


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Aaron

Some people are at a place of in survival mode where you or your defense posture is fight or flight or fright.


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Aaron

Mm-Hmm.


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Rick

And in that.


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Aaron

Case, if you're in the flight standpoint, you're going to basically curl in a ball or feel debilitated in a sense. And you know.


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Rick

That's where someone realizing your self-awareness.


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Aaron

Is, this is how I function. And I need someone to help me get out of the valley.


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Jon

And it's just that's really what I think. It's really good balance, right? Because here he says, OK, yeah, you're right. I am speaking very authoritatively. This is how you can push through that with the compassion side. And the realism is you may not have those quick clippings.


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Jon

You don't know how that skillset and what I love you define what that what the first step towards that skillset is. It's not going to this is going to be depressing, right? This is going to break me. I'm going to own the fact that I need help and I'm going to pursue that help.


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Jon

So in the same way, you're doing the same thing, just wine. We need to start if you don't know how to do that, and it probably is rare that you would do that on your own anyways, even when you know, like any and practically if you're going to bring in my buddies, right?


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Jon

I mean, in these things. It's like I'm just an ass for help from someone who I think might know. Yeah, you know, and maybe that's the only thing I can say to do, like, Hey, I need to surround myself with people.


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